eBay chatboard archive: Jan-01-07 to Jan-07-07 week

Posted by dbenson   ( 7693 ) on Jan-07-07 at 23:51:11 PST   Listings
upper,

you will find Andy's email & phone # on this page,

http://www.rpsc.org/judges.htm

give him a call, he loves to talk and allow yourself about 3 or 4 hours. Give him my regards and tell him that Chris T recommended him as the best reference on that area. There is an irony to that and Andy will tell you why,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7693 ) on Jan-07-07 at 23:14:20 PST   Listings
upper, re. Bessarabia,

my friend has informed me that the only article he knows about was written by Andy Cronin in " The Postrider ". As Andy is a fellow countryman of yours (and mine as well although he left Australia over 50 years ago) you should contact him in Toronto or the Russian PH Society and ask for details. Let me know if you need any email addresses for Andy or the society,

Regards,

David Benson
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 393 ) on Jan-07-07 at 22:51:16 PST   Listings
Thanks billsey, I am done for the night though. I may put up one of the not so sad (does that make them happy?) Saxony issues tomorrow, for comparison's sake. Off to bed.
Posted by billsey   ( 838 ) on Jan-07-07 at 22:43:25 PST   Listings
Nice Saxony, and I notice that the pages keep on going up. :-)
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 393 ) on Jan-07-07 at 22:32:55 PST   Listings
Sad Saxons 6
Sad Saxons 7
Sad Saxons 8
Sad Saxons 9
Sad Saxons 10
Sad Saxons 11
Sad Saxons 12
Sad Saxons 13
Sad Saxons 14
Sad Saxons 15
Sad Saxons 16
Sad Saxons 17
Sad Saxons 18
Sad Saxons 19
Sad Saxons 20

I'll leave it at that, it's only part of the collection, but I am still working on cancellations and usages.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 393 ) on Jan-07-07 at 22:24:43 PST   Listings
S is for Saxony, or Sachsen. S also stands for the "Sad Saxons". Among German Saxony collectors, the last definitive stamp issue of the Kingdom of Saxony, the "Coat of Arms" issue of July 1, 1863, is sometimes referred to as "Trauersachsen" or "Sad Saxons", because they are rather sad looking compared to the engraved King Frederick Augustus II and King John I issues. Judge for yourself:

Sad Saxons 1
Sad Saxons 2
Sad Saxons 3
Sad Saxons 4
Sad Saxons 5

Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-07-07 at 21:40:31 PST   Listings
UPPERCANADIAN-----Really don't know the area as well as you and what i have is recent material .Your going to have a hard time finding a 1918 cover since that whole area was uncertain{unstable} and if mail came out it most likely had a Romania or Russian postal stamp and/or cancel ,who reckonized that government and its mail system ....paul
Posted by chk99989   ( 142 ) on Jan-07-07 at 21:23:34 PST   Listings
infla-alec Thanks for the info on the Spanish
Civil War stuff. I have passed it on to the interested
party.

Chris - currently working on Spain, but after WWII
Posted by billsey   ( 838 ) on Jan-07-07 at 21:16:21 PST   Listings
There was some wonderful Moldova in the recent David Feldman auction early in December.
Posted by billsey   ( 838 ) on Jan-07-07 at 21:14:03 PST   Listings
I have placed the R winner info on our web site. Congratulations Jim! And a special thanks to Bill D for that excellent capture of the entries. :-)
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 827 ) on Jan-07-07 at 19:52:28 PST   Listings
Paul,

I didn't think there were too many Moldovan collectors out there - it is great to find one. I have a lot of the issues for the Republic of Moldova, although I haven't picked up any of the first overprinted ones yet. I have a pretty good source for stamps in Chisinau, and actually sell a few here on Ebay. When you say the "unlisted questionable issue", do you mean the issues from Transnistria or Pridnestrovie as the Russians call it?? Although only Russia recognizes it, it is essentially independent of Moldova and has been since 1992.

I am applying a rather strict interpretation to the geography of Bessarabia. All lands between the Pruth and the Dniester River, as far northwest as Cernauti in Bukovina. As for the Danuba Delta region, which exchanged hands back and forth many times, I am including lands north of the St.Gheorghe branch of the Danube but not Dobrogea itself. This would exclude Tiraspol and Transnistria from my collecting interest, for the time being anyway.

Have you come across any postmarks or covers from 1918??

All the best,

Brad
Posted by jaywild   ( 905 ) on Jan-07-07 at 18:47:16 PST   Listings
Yipes… With all the great “R” postings I did not expect to win. I am indebted to D1 for selecting me, and I will endeavor to act like a usurping tyrant and trample on the rights and sensibilities of everyone I don’t kill outright as a respectful steward of the responsibility to judge the “S” entries.

J

So behave everyone…

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-07-07 at 17:53:24 PST   Listings
UPPERCANADIAN ------Yes ,i do collect the area ,have a few album pages for the region . I have the country for the recent issues,also the early issues that were the overprints of the U.S.S.R . also the unlisted questionable issues that most specialist would say that are recently issued by a Russian lead indepdence movement .Also have info on the early Moldavia bull issues ....paul
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 827 ) on Jan-07-07 at 17:31:38 PST   Listings
David B,

Thanks for the feedback. I would be grateful for any information you and your Romanian friend can get. My wife is Moldovan (Bessarabian), so no problem getting Romanian or Russian translated. Well - the problem might be to get her to read the material of course!!

As for the forgeries, you make a good point. I would certainly not make a mark unless I was 100% sure, but of course, errors do happen. How else are we to keep forged stamps from making the rounds through the marketplace year after year though?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1037 ) on Jan-07-07 at 15:44:57 PST   Listings
Peter

Correct, 0f course.

No more Lon Gisland, back in Scars Dale!!
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 15:22:56 PST   Listings
upper, no way should you stamp them forgery, even if they are. It is a heinous act and many times has ruined a perfectly genuine stamp.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 15:17:44 PST   Listings
upper, I will ask my Romanian friend if there is any literature on the subject and I am sure there would be as there are myriads of articles on all sorts of Romanian Postal History, the problem is that it will most probably be in Romanian,

David B.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 827 ) on Jan-07-07 at 15:16:16 PST   Listings
Someone below asked what the best way of dealing with forgeries is. I have an envelope full of them, and thought perhaps I would have a small rubber stamp made that read "FORGERY". I could then gently stamp each of them and sell them with a free conscience.

Views????
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 827 ) on Jan-07-07 at 15:14:20 PST   Listings
I was wondering if anyone here had any knowledge or resources connected with Bessarabia. I have just started to investigate building a collection on this region. It corresponds closely to the current country of Moldova. It is interesting, in that the region has been divided and exchanged many times between the Ottomans, Romanians and Russians. The Russians controlled the entire region from the 1878 Treaty of Berlin, until the dying days of World War I.

On January 24th, 1918 after assistance from the Romanian army, the Russians were ejected and the Moldavian Democratic Republic was declared. On April 9, 1918, The government agreed to merges with Romania - where it remained until 1940, when under the terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the Russian gave the Romanians 4 days to withdraw from Bessarabia. Though the Romanians high-tailed it, it was not fast enough for the Russians who killed some 43,000 people on their way in. It remained Russian until the Republic of Moldova was proclaimed in 1991.

I am interested specifically in that 2 month period though in Bessarabia, where they were independent. I have never come across any covers or any evidence at all from that period. Does anyone have knowledge in this area, or can point me in the right direction? Do you think that there would have been any changes in terms of the postal service, or would they have just continued using Russian stamps until they merged with Romania.

Thanks,

Brad
Posted by mrsamoa   ( 358 ) on Jan-07-07 at 13:36:04 PST   Listings
Hi Matt and David B. Sorry, but I had to run out to do some shopping.

Although I did not make it to Washington, I know Jan's Samoan exhibit. I have seen various parts of it over the years.

Gotta run,

Take care, all

Maryt
Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 13:08:54 PST   Listings
Marty - How's it going? Check in more often -- we need your help with Samoa items!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:46:46 PST   Listings
Paul, I agree, Americans can use the term Syncopated and the rest of the world " Interrupted perfs ".

Paul, the various types of collecting has no relevance, it was from the 1870's and belongs to the dim, dark past of collecting and has been superseded by different types of collecting. At that time Postal History & Thematics were unknown, no need to discuss them when discussing coil perforations,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:39:24 PST   Listings
David B.------Scott catalog has been using the word for over 70 years in their printed catalog ,doesn't sound like much of a point to fight over .

"English verus the American school" were did you come up with that?????Their is no "American school" The two methods of collecting is "English method " and the "European method" this was a big issue in 1890's thru 1910's and debated back then,100 years ago ....paul

Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:32:19 PST   Listings
Marty,

did you get around to seeing the Samoa collection in Washington from Sweden that got a Large Gold. I have heard about it and have read a few reviews of the collection but have never seen it,

David B.
Posted by mrsamoa   ( 358 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:23:59 PST   Listings
Hi to the group. I have a non-stamp question: Outside of eBay, if I log into Microsoft Chat, is it possible to see others who are chatting, if they have a webcam? I'm running XP SP2.

Thanks,

Marty

PS Hi to my old buddies: Keleofa and dbenson. Hope you are having a happy new year.
Posted by de66   ( 1027 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:13:43 PST   Listings
R


AND THE WINNER IS: JAYWILD

For the below post.

Well done JIM and to all who entered the R

The prize is: Jim to judge S so Jim don't be Silly of Stupid when judging.

It was a shame we never saw any Railway Parcel Stamps put up for show.

Posted by jaywild ( 898 ) on Jan-02-07 at 10:58:53 PST
Listings

R is for Revenue. Here are a few items from my collection.
• R53b, the “b” designation meaning “part perforated”, i.e. the straight edges at top and bottom. These are usually the rarest (although not in this case), the other two types being imperforate and perforated all the way around. This stamps bears what looks like an October 5, 1864 cancel, a serendipitous bonus.
• R63c, with a tidy Customhouse CDS.
• R69a. This stamp was pen canceled, as most early revenue stamps were, on June 30, 1863, when two immense armies were converging on the sleepy Pennsylvania town of Gettysburg.
• R78a, unremarkable except for its lovely color, to me at least.
• R85a, featuring George Washington badly in need of a shave.
• R91a, a mortgage revenue.
• R101c, one of my favorites. A beautiful design, in my opinion.
• R144, 2nd issue revenues, the first of the two-tones, all blue and black.
• R142. The 3rd Revenue issues, same designs as the 2nd issues, got away from the blue and black, this example being orange and black.
• R144, in green and black.
• R146, in claret and black, a very lovely stamp.
• R149, 3rd issue again, green and black.
• R131. The $20 through $50 denominations were only issued in blue and black.
US revenues were implemented to tax a myriad of transactions for the purpose of financing the American Civil War, the Union part anyway, a tremendously costly undertaking, although this means of gathering revenue continued long past the war, and some aspects continue to this day, taxes on cigarettes for instance.
Jim

D1
Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 12:04:15 PST   Listings
David B,

Can't help you there - before my time! :-)

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:59:16 PST   Listings
Matt, I was just thinking there may be a link to the popularity of the song " Syncopated Rhythym " which was popular in the mid 1930's and someone in Scott's was humming it whilst thinking of a term to use,

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 494 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:55:20 PST   Listings
Is there a time delay on ebay sending out mail ? I had lots which ended today and not a single ebay mail has arrived.:-(((
Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:49:33 PST   Listings
syncopation
One entry found for syncopation.


Main Entry: syn·co·pa·tion
Pronunciation: "si[ng]-k&-'pA-sh&n, "sin-
Function: noun
1 : a temporary displacement of the regular metrical accent in music caused typically by stressing the weak beat
2 : a syncopated rhythm, passage, or dance step
- syn·co·pa·tive /'si[ng]-k&-"pA-tiv, 'sin-/ adjective
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Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:48:20 PST   Listings
Hold on - that link didn't work.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:47:33 PST   Listings
David B,

American English

Syncopation (in American English) means an interruption in a regular pattern. The term 'Syncopated Perfs' do not seem to refer to the shape of the perfs, just to the break in the regular perf patterns.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:37:00 PST   Listings
Matt, thanks, interestingly in 1937 they mention " it is usually called interrupted or syncopated perforations " so that proves that Scott's were using both terms before they decided to only use one.

David B.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3328 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:33:13 PST   Listings
David B,

Scott 1937

re: Dutch Perfs

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:18:49 PST   Listings
Two interesting comments in Paul's reply. The English versus the American School of collecting. This was from the 1870's and is not pertinent to coil perfs. The other is the lemminglike attitude of collectors who accepted Scott's terminology which is normally the other way around. Catalogues use stamp collectors terms and not collectors use a new word which a catalogue introduces,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 11:01:41 PST   Listings
Paul,

you didn't answer the question, what did Scott's call the interrupted perfs. of Holland & Danzig,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 905 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:50:55 PST   Listings
S is for Safford, Sahuarita, Saluarita (error), St. Johns, St. Michaels, Sanders, San Luis, Sasabe, Scottsdale, Sedona, Show Low, Sierra Vista, Skull Valley, Snowflake, Solomon, Somerton, Springerville, Stanfield, Sun City, Sun City West and Superior Arizona

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by figmente   ( 872 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:49:58 PST   Listings
looks like a nice color shift to me.
Posted by peetah   ( 453 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:40:51 PST   Listings
Any one, especially New Zealand collectors see anything amiss with this New Zealand stamp? Specifically the horizontal band and the white(?) fish.
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:40:06 PST   Listings
wrd3 My pleasure. The link was intended for djs127.

djs127 Sell it as spurious (title).

iomoon Lon Gisland is better but we used to say Long Guyland because of Fire Island. I thank you!
Phil
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:14:59 PST   Listings
Jim_Lawler I do not put that in my regular album, only the forgery album.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 856 ) on Jan-07-07 at 10:05:25 PST   Listings
Yihaa, my first purchase "that other place", and a cheap one too.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1164 ) on Jan-07-07 at 09:55:40 PST   Listings
claghorn1p
I’m LOL!
Still, you’ve got a better copy than I have as my spot for the $5 Colombian is empty. :8^ )

Jim L.
Posted by oggilby   ( 1168 ) on Jan-07-07 at 09:51:56 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from a cooler than yesterday (71 F),now 53 F, Central Maryland!

Paul in Chi Town--please send me your email address (ebay is not co-operating at the moment). Thanks!

smitimns at verizon dot net

Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 09:42:26 PST   Listings
Peter The Spiro St Helena are very crude and obvious. Spiros are also almost always cancelled with distinctive Spiro cancels. THat way they avoided charges of postal fraud.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-07-07 at 09:36:04 PST   Listings
Of course just mentioned St Helena and realised it's an S. So here they are St Helena. I received these as part of an auction lot of Friday so my quick sort with cat number may be incorrect:-)

cheers

Peter
Posted by infla-alec   ( 494 ) on Jan-07-07 at 09:01:44 PST   Listings
Bill D Thanks for saving all the R's. Looking back I missed seeing a couple for some reason. I know my favourite but thankfully I'm not judge for this week. One hell of a lot of showings on the R's which is always good to see.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-07-07 at 08:40:13 PST   Listings
Jim Sabah, had to be 5 letters grrrr.

Bill Good reading on spud planting. I received some St Helena in an auction lot this week so off to look more closely:-)

Peter
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-07-07 at 08:26:25 PST   Listings
For what it's worth, here are the "R" entries.

Bill D.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 08:05:11 PST   Listings
Here is an interestng article on Sperati in German as a PDF download.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 07:57:15 PST   Listings
Here are Spud pages for

St. Helena

La Guaira

Brazil

Danish West Indies

Be sure to look at they are interesting.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 07:44:22 PST   Listings
THE SPUD PAPERS; OR, NOTES ON PHILATELIC WEEDS.

BY W. DUDLEY ATLEE.

I.

EVERY science like every grade of society is afflicted with
incubi of some kind, which act upon the pursuit as weeds
do upon the soil of our pleasure-gardens; destroying the
beauty of the scene, and filling the places which should be
occupied by the flowers. It is scarcely to be expected that our own favourite study should be free from the ravages of pests of the weed class; and that such weeds are existent and flourishing, many of our readers know to their cost.
For some time past we have been devoting our energies to the task of rooting out those numerous impostors, which, under the gilded synonym of Fac-similes, have so long been the means of extracting money from the unwary, and we certainly feel an unalloyed joy in knowing that certain remarks of our editor have brought forth the complaint from a dealer in these shams, that his profits have fallen off several pounds monthly since the publication of the expose in question. You cannot appeal to the honesty of men of this class; the only way to reach. them is through their pockets.

There is a growing desire among collectors that the tribe of forgeries should be destroyed "root and branch ;" it will be difficult to accomplish this thoroughly, but it is our intention to do what we can in aid of the " new crusade."

Our publishers, actuated by a laudable desire to contribute their quota of help towards repelling the invaders, have, at a considerable expense, obtained from Messrs. Spiro Brothers, of Hamburg, sheets of their many imitations; and, for the present, it is our intention to confine our remarks solely to the productions of that firm; for although of course numerous other forgeries exist, still few are so finely executed, and therefore so liable to deceive as those emanating from the great house of Spiro Gebruder. We dare say those gentlemen will think our course of action rather like "hoisting the ensign on his own petard," but they must comfort themselves with the precept of the Jesuits, that "the end justifies the means."

We are told to accord what is due, even unto the gentleman with the cloven hoof; so we must perforce do Messrs. Spiro the justice to state that, to the best of our knowledge, their " fancy goods" are not sold by then as genuine, but in a true Mephistophelean manner this firm of wholesale merchants tempt the smaller dealers (who purchase their humbugs) to make rno:ley, by selling their probity for lucre.

We will only quote the hackneyed truism, that "honesty is the best policy," and proceed at once to describe the differences between the genuine and the Spiro-forged stamps of the later issues of the Danubian Principalities.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 07:32:25 PST   Listings
S of course is for Spiro Sperati and Spud papers. The Spiro brothers produced hundreds of different forgeries. The Spud Papers were a series of articles, complete with actual examples of the forgeries, published in The Philatelist

Here are quotes from the compiled reprint by Ragatz:

Appalled at the demoralization confronting the hobby through the wholesale production of counterfeits on all hands, Smith and Atlee in 1871 launched an heroic counter-attack by beginning publication of The Spud Papers in Volume Five of The Philatelist. Both considered forgeries "noxious growths to be eradicated from the collector's gar-den," and the series gained its name from the spud, a long-handled instrument with a steel blade at the bottom end, employed by gardeners in cutting off weeds by their roots. Meticulous descriptions of forgeries were given but, to simplify matters for collectors, actual specimens were used to illustrate each article as was done with sample crests and colored cut-outs mounted in Smith's hobby catalogs and with genuine low-face stamps given readers of The Stamp Collector's Magazine from 1863 to I 874 as well as in early issues of
The Philatelist.

Twenty Spuds, in Volumes Five and Six, were written by Atlee, and he set the form for the entire series —a description of the forgery and then of the genuine stamp, with a copy of the actual forgery to illustrate. Number 21 bears no author's name. Pemberton wrote Numbers 22 through 25 as a stopgap and Earee (no accent until Number 41) then took over, reversing Atlee's procedure by describing the genuine stamp first, and continued the series through Number 63 in the December, 1876, issue of The Philatelist, the last one published. Papers 1 through 11 appear in Volume Five (1871), Papers 12 through 21 in Volume Six (1872), Papers 22 through 31 in Volume Seven (1873), Papers 32 through 42 in Volume Eight (1874), Papers 43 through 53 in Volume Nine (1875) and Papers 54 through 63 in Volume Ten (1876). Three more unnumbered Spuds, known to collectors as Numbers 64, 65 and 66, appeared in Issues 9 (January-March, 1879), 10 (April-June, 1879), and 11 (July-September, 1879) of a later Smith publication, The Philatelic Quarterly, and the final one, known as Number 67, in Smith's Stamp Collector's Annual for 1881.

There were, thus, sixty-seven Spud Papers in all and, today they constitute one of the most highly-cherished items in the reference material field. None arc readily pro-curable at this late date because, while files of The Philatelist are by no means uncommon, most subscribers appear to have removed the forgeries from their magazines as received, ironically enough mounting them in their albums, and most copies of the magazine encountered today have been stripped. The Philatelic Quarterly and the 1881 Annual are themselves rare, and unstripped ones are almost non-existent. Especially scarce are Spuds Numbers 43-53, which appeared in Volume Nine of The Philatelist, the "tough" one in the set, and Numbers 64-67, appearing in the two later publications. U. S. 10c I 847's are common by comparison, and even with a limited market, some of these later ones have brought as much as $25 each. The chief source of sup-ply for Spud, has been the volumes of odd numbers of The Philatelist bound together as Papers for Philatelists, which contain varying numbers of Spuds each, and which appear not to have sold very well, for most literature dealers have had supplies of new copies in their stocks until recent times. None of them, however, contain Spuds Numbers 64-67.

It appears after rather careful check that there are but twelve complete collections of Spud Papers hi existence today, all built slowly through the years, one number here and another there. Because of strip-ping, one Manchester collector found it necessary to purchase eleven sets of The Philatelist before completing Spuds Numbers 1 through 63. Neither the Royal Philatelic Society, London, nor the Collectors Club of New York has a complete set as, typically enough, certain copies of their magazines which originally contained the forgeries have been stripped in both cases.

The Spiros were naturally out-raged at the whole proceeding and refused further to supply Smith, but he experienced no difficulty in securing sufficient copies of the desired counterfeits for his purpose through a dummy. As collectors became aware of the forgeries menace, they developed a more critical attitude in their purchases and, by the late 1870's British and American dealers in general were boycotting both phantasies and forgeries. In the 1880's the movement spread to the more easy-going continent. For this reform, the Spud Papers were primarily responsible and the Spiros, finding that line of their business declining, abandoned the manufacture of facsimiles after some fifteen years of lucrative production.

Because of the constant appearance of these early forgeries, and especially the Spiro products, in collections reaching the market today, it has been deemed desirable to compile an index to the Spud Papers, appending Scott's type and catalog numbers for the stamps, Noske's Weltganzschenkatalog numbers for foreign envelopes and Hurt-Williams type and catalog numbers for the locals, indicating where in the several Smith and Trivet publications the original and pirated descriptive articles and, in the case of the Smith journals, copies of the forgeries themselves may be found for checking purposes.
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Posted by infla-alec   ( 494 ) on Jan-07-07 at 06:42:35 PST   Listings
Knuden It is on the link with Eusc under clubs and associations. Here The R winner hasn't been announced yet I don't think.
Posted by knuden   ( 2176 ) on Jan-07-07 at 06:22:20 PST   Listings
Who is the R winner?
When I go to the EUSC's page, via the yellow box, there is nothing written about the A - Z letter competition - how come and where is it??

K.E 
Posted by bjornmu   ( 856 ) on Jan-07-07 at 06:16:35 PST   Listings
S is for Sharjah, one of the "Dune" states. While obviously philatelic, this is at least a genuine 1965 registered cover that did go through the mail. This is confirmed by postmarks on the back. The stamps here also show Sheikh Saqr III ibn Sultan al-Qasimi. Stamps are printed by Harrison and Sons, London (they say so in the margin).
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-07-07 at 06:14:05 PST   Listings
BOB in WA. Scott was looking for a word to describe a pattern that was becoming more popular and that could cover a broad range of patterns and went to the techincal scientific community ,who pulled a word from the music community ,thats how we got SYNCOPATED....paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-07-07 at 05:55:17 PST   Listings
SYNCOPATED PERFS Now thats a word that endeared me to many here on this chat board many years ago .

David B.----Welcome to the dark side. To answer your question the early Scott's 1940 catalog doesn't mention the term in the Dutch or Danzig issues.I think it goes back to the 1900's when the U.S. accepted the English method of collecting which was just face different stamps ,which gave us the mentally of fill the holes on album pages . That English method became the mind set for the U.S. catlogs well into the 1970's .

ED845 ----Your correct about calling them elliptical perfs .Elliptical perfs is a type of syncopated perfs ,what i think the catalogs are taken into count is that other countries will be making different patterns than just elliptical designs and wanted a word to cover a broad range of designs for perforations .

......paul

Posted by ed845   ( 4271 ) on Jan-07-07 at 05:23:17 PST   Listings
How is Lon Gisland today Jim?

Posted by ed845   ( 4271 ) on Jan-07-07 at 05:22:18 PST   Listings
This place might interest anyone from New Zealand where they have many sheep so I believe.

http://www.creativepaperwales.co.uk/

Ed
Posted by postalviews   ( 4182 ) on Jan-07-07 at 05:22:11 PST   Listings
Happy New Year to all.

The Rense dot com news web site headline image is showing a linen multiview virtual postcard "Greetings From Camp FEMA".
Posted by iomoon   ( 1036 ) on Jan-07-07 at 05:19:06 PST   Listings
Good day all.

From a cool Lon Gisland.

S is for Sabyinyo.

Todays crossword clue:

Upset, left English cricket abash (5)!!!
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 408 ) on Jan-07-07 at 04:25:21 PST   Listings
Jim_Lawler here is a Five Dollar Columbian from my collection.
Posted by cwhutch   ( 606 ) on Jan-07-07 at 04:04:53 PST   Listings
Good morning.

Hutch
Posted by infla-alec   ( 494 ) on Jan-07-07 at 04:02:17 PST   Listings
David B The Dutch translation does indeed refer to coil perforations. I'd always known the ones from Danzig to be called simply interrupted coil perfs.
Posted by 22028   ( 1537 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:52:33 PST   Listings
S stands for SHIGATSE. Here is a letter from SHIGATSE to LHASA (ca. 1920-25), franked with 1 Khakang (1/6 Trangka), the first stamp, of Tibet, canceled, by SHIGATSE Type 11 (Hellrigl T36), in addition Transitpostmark PELTI Type 1 (Hellrigl T6) and PENAM Type 11 (Hellrigl T35).
The inks used for the postmarks on this cover are from ordinary ink to watery ink and shoe polish as used in PELTI (the postmark on the right side of the cover with the “grease marks”…
http://fuchs-online.com/tibet-handbook/postmarks/images/T36.jpg
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1164 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:38:40 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Bob in WA
Nice $5 Columbus.
I’d not seen the type of syncopated perfs in your second posting before.


22028
Neat piece.


In keeping with the "S" theme here’s a label from Santa Claus, Indiana with a 1932 Washington Bi-Centennial stamp precanceled with the 713 device.

Jim L.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:21:26 PST   Listings
Has anyone got an old Scott's (before 1960) and look up what they called the Dutch or Danzig coil perfs.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:13:35 PST   Listings
Verry, Interesting,

On Ebay, Holland there are 18 lots listed under Roltanding with 300 in Stores,

http://search.ebay.nl/ws/search/SaleSearch?sofocus=bs&satitle=roltanding&sacat=260%26catref%3DC5&fbd=1&sspagename=h%3Ah%3Aadvsearch%3ANL&from=R6&nojspr=y&pfid=0&fswc=1&few=&saprclo=&saprchi=&fss=0&saslop=1&sasl=&fls=4%26floc%3D1&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D0&salic=146&saatc=146&sadis=200&fpos=&fsct=&sacur=0&sacqyop=ge&sacqy=&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&sabdlo=&sabdhi=&saaff=afdefault&aftd=&afcj=&afmp=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=50

and only 5 lots, all from the same seller (looking for the US market) using the word Syncopated together with Roltanding,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:10:09 PST   Listings
All I have to find out now is what " Roltanding " translates to. I presume it means Roll perforations or Coil Perfs, the same as the German.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 03:03:03 PST   Listings
Just answered my own question, found a lot listed in Holland which mentions both terms, the Dutch & Syncopated, presumably to attract the US market,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Netherlands-stamps-Roltanding-Syncopated-R-82-R-85_W0QQitemZ330024678519QQihZ014QQcategoryZ47166QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7691 ) on Jan-07-07 at 02:59:35 PST   Listings
May as well join the throng against using the term " Syncopated ". As far as I know it was never used before Scott's decided to use it. They have always been known as " interrupted perfs ". Michel calls them " Rollenzahnung " which translates to " Roll perfs or for philatelic purposes " Coil perfs. ". I would be interested to learn what the Dutch catalogues call them & I sure it would not be Syncopated,

David Benson
Posted by rclwa   ( 944 ) on Jan-07-07 at 02:26:28 PST   Listings
I agree Ed, elliptical is a better term. It is a different principle than a rhythm pattern of round holes. Don't know why Scott uses the same word as the Netherlands examples. I suppose now they think they're stuck with the precedent and shouldn't change, but I think they should. No argument from me, Scott is in error. Unfortunately, once it's published, it becomes incumbent on anyone interested to be aware of it, so they can follow and understand anyone using the term, wrongly or not. I guess I should have said, here's another place the term is used, but improperly.

Bob in WA
Posted by ed845   ( 4271 ) on Jan-07-07 at 02:09:08 PST   Listings
elliptical perfs

I hope this isn't going to start another war on here but the cut outs as you call them on GB stamps are called elliptical perfs in the UK not syncopated as they appear to be called in the States. Royal Mail say they were introduced in order that stamps could be removed more easily from sheets.

They can be found not only on Machins but on Commemoratives as well, that is if your local Post Office sells them. That is of course, if you have a local post office.
Ed



Posted by rclwa   ( 944 ) on Jan-07-07 at 01:27:03 PST   Listings
S is for SYNCOPATED PERFS! Sometimes you can get lucky and spot an unnoticed one in old kiloware or a stock of singles, as they aren't always as obvious on a single, especially used ones. However, I prefer blocks such as this to display the entire pattern to best advantage. Another place to look for them, where they may have been overlooked, is on COVER. There are different patterns of interrupted spacing of holes, and a few are very cheap, others command considerable premiums. Besides Netherlands, other older ones were found in Danzig, and recently they started showing up, in different patterns but called the same thing, in Great Britain, with little elliptical cutouts appearing at precise intervals in otherwise normal perfs. When self stick becomes universal they will probably be no more.

Bob in WA
Posted by giftsandthrifts2000   ( 235 ) on Jan-07-07 at 01:23:54 PST   Listings
hey got a ques anybody know what happened to the big ticket catagory
Posted by 22028   ( 1537 ) on Jan-07-07 at 01:07:40 PST   Listings
S stand for substituted cliché.
Nepal, the famous 1 Anna substituted cliché (upper right stamp in the image) for a 4 Annas stamp, resulting in a color error (Scott 17b, Hellrigl 37c, dark green). The stamp has been placed upside down in the upper right corner position of the printing plate of 64 stamps, thus forming a tete-beche pair with a four Annas stamp.
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/images/13_nepal-hv37c.jpg

And the complete sheet you will see here...
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/images/13_nepal-hv37sheet.jpg

(All items shown are from my own collection..)...
Posted by rclwa   ( 944 ) on Jan-07-07 at 00:53:47 PST   Listings
It's Sunday!

S is for SOCK ON THE NOSE! (From my father's collection.)

Bob in WA
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 306 ) on Jan-06-07 at 22:59:13 PST   Listings
Sunday afternoon bookmark,
got youngest grandaughter staying for 3 weeks, so wont get a chance to read the board as much as usual...LINDA
Posted by malolo   ( 833 ) on Jan-06-07 at 20:47:59 PST   Listings
Just reprot your own post with the links. It is the quickest and most effective means of geting rid of a "bad" post. There is no reason for a link to the site or the auction.

Roger