eBay chatboard archive: Jan-15-07 to Jan-21-07 week

Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-21-07 at 22:40:23 PST   Listings
Letter “U” -so many choices I don’t know where to start. LOL
(top card)
UPU 1900 commemorative card and stamps which were first issued 2 Juli, 1900 to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the founding of the UPU. Switzerland has been home to the UPU for all time. This card to Abo, Finland.
(lower card)
Ungültig (not valid). This is found on postage due items where the addressee refused to pay the “due amount”, or had moved, and the item was forwarded. This 1902 card from Monaco is addressed to a Swiss school and was refused, making the postage due Uncollectable. The postman had already paid for the stamp prior to delivery, and was entitled to a refund from the post office. The stamp was then marked “invalid” indicating no fee was collected. Since this card had no return address it appears to have gone to Luzern, the main PO of the District, where it was saved for me. )’>)

Undeliverable is found on other items. This 1891 card originated in England and was sent to Neuchatel where for reasons unknown to me, the Suchard Company “Refused” acceptance even though it was addressed to Monsieur Suchard. The docketing reads “Error of adress”, and was returned to London. The return address was on the back.

Another Undelivered item. You can read the story on the page. Sometimes the write-up and research is already done by a previous owner. In two days this registered letter traveled to Paris and back to Basel. Do you think it would happen as quickly today?

Switzerland is filled with towns and villages starting with “ U”.
These Sitting Helvetia registered letters are two examples I have. The upper letter went from Fraubrunnen to Utzenstorf. In 1865 the registration fee was double the letter rate, in this case the communities were 7.4km apart which was within the 10km distance for local rate 5 centimes - plus 5 centimes for registration.

Lower letter -
From Winterthur to Unter Steimheim is 23km requiring 10 centimes postage. In 1881 the registration fee was a flat 20 centimes resulting in 30 centimes paid in an interesting manner.

Roger
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 875 ) on Jan-21-07 at 22:38:18 PST   Listings
G1
Thanks for your input. Looks like I will need to find a copy of Gilliam, as well as Boggs.


I agree that taking the B&LH was the most obvious way to go, but I wonder that if there are cds for Mitchell, does that mean that the letter took an overland journey from its origin Millarton to Mitchell? Geography would dictate that the best place to induct it would have been Goderich. It was twice as close to Millarton as Mitchell was, and it was the railhead.


As I said, I have lots of questions but unfortunately seem to lack the basic tools to begin with. In time, I hope to rectify that.

Thanks again,

Brad

Posted by 22028   ( 1548 ) on Jan-21-07 at 22:19:03 PST   Listings
I was checking throughly thru my collecting areas..., sorry to say, not very many came up.

Here is a picture postcard showing the railway station in Iraq UR Junction.
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/postal_history/Stations/Ur_Junction.htm

Colombia had some City Posts, called correo Urbana.
Correo Urbano de Medellin, a nice cover franked with a bisected stamp.
http://fuchs-online.com/colombia/citypost/rural2.htm

Correos Urbanos de Manizales:
http://fuchs-online.com/colombia/citypost/rural3.htm
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-21-07 at 22:19:02 PST   Listings
Knuden, no but nevertheless part of Ukraine, NOT of Russia. :-) That didn't change in 1991.

Jaywild, thanks again, this one would have showed up in my search. Think I'll ask for a close-up scan of the pmk.
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 90 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:41:33 PST   Listings
Ok, for my first U contribution.....
Greetings from the USA !

S2
Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:33:45 PST   Listings
billsey You would know thatthis is a mammoth task then if you are doing the Dominion series !!!
My opening page of Dominions is the same as the opening page of my Universals (by that I mean as complete) but I have not sortd the boxes much beyond that as yet. Concentrating on the Universals first.
As for Perf variations, Yes, they are coming. I am concentrating on re-entries now that I have most of the shades complete and scanned.
Re-entries are in abundance and it is hard to know where to stop particularly with the Waterlow Trial W1 and W2 plates.
Keep an eye on this space then I guess :)
Cheers

Roly
Posted by g.1   ( 1064 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:27:13 PST   Listings
Uppercanadian B&LH RR ran between Fort Erie and Goderich at that time -- so that cover did do the sensible thing and go via Goderich. (See Gilliam, History of Cdn RPOs, p 14.)
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:26:16 PST   Listings
Prochute Predicting a Colts victory? Shame on you. Chicago sports teams have such a long and dismal history of "suckyness" (if thats a word),...that its officially considered cruel to root against them!

This weekend I got to see a truely beautiful old confederate cover. A stampless paid usage with the all important notation added to a back flap -- "Momma says to save this (envelope) - or she'll git mad at you" The young soldier apparently listened to his momma (angry mothers are WAY more dangerous then Yankees). The envelope was dutifully turned, and remailed, addressed back to her. :o)

Unfortunately its proud new owner refused to sell it to me. :o(
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 875 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:22:56 PST   Listings
IK Postalhistory (Danny)

Thanks for the info on the UC / CW / ON designation. I didn't realise at first that you were associated with Ian Kimmerly Stamps of Ottawa - one of the last great stamp stores left in Ontario.

It has been a long-time since I have been in your store. Last time was about 10 years ago, while I was still living in Montreal. I purchased an excellent Ottoman Turkish collection.

I will keep an eye on your auctions.

All the best,

Brad
Posted by rclwa   ( 947 ) on Jan-21-07 at 21:11:34 PST   Listings
Jaywild -- I remember the exact day! I had gotten a job as a switchman on the GN RR, and my 20th birthday was my seniority date! Who knows, I might have made a career of it, but in December the chief surgeon in St Paul nixed my back X-rays for a slight spine curvature, and I was dismissed despite high performance praise from my local bosses. Starting to seem like a long time ago, those Eisenhower days.

Bob in WA
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1192 ) on Jan-21-07 at 20:39:15 PST   Listings
In keeping with the "U" theme here’s a Liberty series that you don’t see precanceled often. This one’s from Union Mills, Indiana 821.

Jim L.
Posted by billsey   ( 840 ) on Jan-21-07 at 20:25:17 PST   Listings
Roly will you be adding the perforation varieties in as well to your Universal pages (or did I just miss them)? I know a number of them are available with four or five different perforation combinations, though only a few are common.

I would think (based on the album pages I've been working on) that the Penny Dominion is more complex than the Penny Universal. Though I'll be happy if I can eventually get them to the level of your first page. :-)
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-21-07 at 20:24:19 PST   Listings
Bob in WA’s 20th birthday cancel…

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-21-07 at 19:55:49 PST   Listings
Bjorn… Inverted year slug, a little pricey perhaps.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-21-07 at 19:53:15 PST   Listings

I thought the Pats would win but 12 men in a huddle is a no no we all learned in grade school. Oh well. Will be a great Super Bowl anyway. I predict the Colts will win.

All this talk about cold & snow makes me recall why I relocated to sunny Florida last spring. My stamps no longer curl!!
Posted by 22028   ( 1548 ) on Jan-21-07 at 19:40:52 PST   Listings
Sniped tonight. I hope to find a few references related to the Iraq Railway in it...
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220070861557
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 19:21:01 PST   Listings
a sad sad day in mudville :-(
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 875 ) on Jan-21-07 at 19:20:09 PST   Listings
Postmark Hammer Longevity in Ontario

Here is another cover from Ontario.

The first postmark over the Small Queen indicates that it was posted from MILLARTON / OC 24 / 73 / ONT. Millarton is about 4km from the town of Kindardine which is situated on the shores of Lake Huron. On that same day, it had made the 110km trek to Mitchell (MITCHELL / OC 24 / 73 / ONT), where it was then inducted into the old Buffalo & Lake Huron Railway system (B & L.H. / EAST / OC 24 / 78). I am not sure how it got there, the route it took or even why, as it would make more sense for it to go to the railhead in Goderich which was half the distance from Millarton. At any rate, by 1870, the B&LHR was wholly owned by the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada. I can only assume that they had not gotten around to replacing the hammer in Mitchell yet.


So, it must have taken the Grand Trunk lines through Toronto, and somewhere into Eastern Ontario. The next postmark reads PERTH / OC 26 / 73 / ONT. It may have gone to Brockville, where it could then have been put onto the Brockville and Ottawa Railway which had a major station at Perth. The B&O was an independent railway at the time, and not part of the Grand Trunk system. I don’t really understand how mail moved in Ontario, so I would only be surmising. That same day, the letter made it to Hopetown (HOPETOWN / OC 26 / 1873 / U.C.) which is just north of Perth.

The interesting thing here, and the reason I got the cover in the first place, was that Hopetown still used the old hammer that read U.C. (Upper Canada). Remember, that in 1841, Upper Canada became part of the Province of Canada, the region renamed Canada West. In 1867, it became Ontario after the Confederation of Canada. I find it pretty surprising that they were still using a hammer that was 32 years out of date.


Anyway, looking at a cover like this, figuring out its route, and then finding so many questions unanswered, really fuels an interest to learn more. I would really like to understand how the mail moved on the rail network that crisscrossed Ontario particularly between 1856 and 1880, when there were so many independent railways.

Posted by claghorn1p   ( 409 ) on Jan-21-07 at 18:28:02 PST   Listings
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Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:59:34 PST   Listings
Go Pats!!!!!!! 21 - 21 Groan
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:46:24 PST   Listings
Jeff That is the way I first sort piles of W/F's.

Peetah How about a play by play? Anyone who cares, is watching the game. Colts 13, Pats 21

Did somebody do some predicting on the games, I missed that.
Sure would like to see tyhe date stamp on that/those posts?
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:44:00 PST   Listings
I've decided that I hate graded certificates.

The purpose of the cert to qualify if the item is genuine, and nothing else. Certainly not so idiots can bid up the price of tulip bulbs to ridiculous levels, in their game of vain upmanship. Afterall, how can one claim to grade the centering/margins of an imperforate? If you even try to engage in such folly tragedy results. Already the collectors of US 1c 1851 issues, are bemoaning the death of so many strips of three, hacked apart by butchers so as to create one jumbo.

I suppose things could be worse. Now THAT is sad. :o(
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:42:37 PST   Listings
Pats 21 colts 13 Grrrrr
Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:26:20 PST   Listings
Postalhysteria David B. is correct, the Universal and Dominion are two diferent stamps (just to rip IO's underwear).
The Universal was printed from 1 Jan 1901 to 1908.
Then New Zealand became a Dominion in 1909 so the Universal stamp was redrawn and reissued from 8 Nove 1909 through to 1926.
Comparison of the two can be seen Here.
You can see that at a quick glance they can be mistaken for each other. The easiest and quickest way to tell them apart as far as I am concerned is that the Dominion has a Penny Shield on both sides of the stamp.
The Dominion is a study in itself almost the equal of the Universal IMO. There were no less than 8 papers used by different manufacturers, Horz and Vert Meshes, diferent gums and colours, different surfacing of the stamp some chalky some polished, different watermarks, and a variety (at least 6) of recognised flaws. That will be my next project should I complete the Universals :)
Cheers

Roly
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:15:48 PST   Listings
Go Pats!!!!!!! 21 - 6 boo colts
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-21-07 at 17:06:01 PST   Listings
CHICAGO BEARS win ......na na .....na na ......laughing again guess we got people here who should stay away from future predictions ......On to the superbowl......CHICAGO IS PARTYING TONIGHT
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 16:48:59 PST   Listings
Knuden Thanks so much, I like your cat values even better than Bjorn's. Wow $410.00, they must be quite scarce. I could never figure out what they were (non Scott), glad I asked you guys! They are also NH (wonder if that makes any difference in cat)
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 16:43:04 PST   Listings
Go Pats!!!!!!! 21 -3
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 16:38:19 PST   Listings
GO PATS!!!!!! 14-3
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-21-07 at 16:06:16 PST   Listings
Go Pats!!!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3321 ) on Jan-21-07 at 16:04:15 PST   Listings
I just came across this US post card, 1904, I wasn't aware that such illustrations on the address side in the undivided back period were allowed.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3321 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:58:33 PST   Listings
DB Thanks for the clarification.

Re: recent discussion about Canada Large and Small Queens, I collected the latter from about 1970 - 1985, and got to hang with some of the big collectors of the issue - Bill Simpson probably the most noted. His auction catalog is still a great reference book. I can't recall the auction house, was in England.

I have a friend with whom we would get a pile of unsorted SQs, put them face down on a table and sort them by printings and perfs by just looking at the backs. It's not hard once you do it a couple of times.

IMO the best reference for Large Queens is the auction catalog of the Menich collection sold by Firby maybe 4 years ago. If a copy can be had for $30 it is worth it.

Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:48:51 PST   Listings
And Cedric Benson scores the last touchdown for Chicago!!
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:45:41 PST   Listings
D2 - Now you have made me hungry and it's after midnight and the nearest Indonesian restaurent is closed!!! Shame you! :O)

K.E 
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:44:51 PST   Listings
Postalhysteria, different stamp, the earlier issue is the Penny Universal and the later issue with Dominion at the top which is the Penny Dominion,

David B.
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:43:30 PST   Listings
bjornmu - Not independ Ukraine! ;O)

K.E 
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3321 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:42:55 PST   Listings
CYE = check your e-mail

bilbo I was going to have a table but had to pass as my wife had to leave this morning for VA for a few days job training. Guess it turned out for the best.

I know Byron and he is 4-star.

I mis-spoke about Ivy, should have said Chas. Shreeve, last I knew his Dallas office was on Midway.

NOIP: I am enjoying a degenerate day without my bride here. I fixed a steak tonite with no potato, no salad or no veggies, and have been snacking on icecream right out of the container!

Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:42:46 PST   Listings
Ed, I notice that they translate Fish as Cod, that would make any Indonesian cringe. Swansea is too far to go, we have plenty of Indonesian restaurants in the Eastern Suburbs around the universities where there are plenty of Indonesian students. They always have lunch specials for the students and the Indonesian Taxi drivers, the food is good, the choice is good, the quantity is a plate full and the price is reasonable, usually $5 (US$4) to $7 (US$5.50) for the lunch specials, leaving in about 1/2 hour,

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:39:45 PST   Listings
Oh, and those latest CTOs are obviously Polish (the overprint that is) but I can't find any mention of them in Michel.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:38:24 PST   Listings
Knuden, correction: it has been part of Ukraine since 1945! Now I'm off to bed in the coldest night so far this winter. At -7.4C that's not very impressive.
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:36:47 PST   Listings
Sniped!!

K.E 
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:34:50 PST   Listings
D2 - Nice covers and as you said - a rare destination. I have had a look of the website - interesting story. All here should take the oportunity to take a look at the site and the many other exhibits there are. :O)

K.E 
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:32:01 PST   Listings
Antonius - My Michel catalog is too old but I can see S.G. have them for £10.00 U.M per. stamp, so the price should be x5, I guess.
The other Carpatho-Ukraine stamps was, as you know, issued the only day Carphato-Ukraine was independ (it was occupied by Hungary the next day!) As to the one beneath the one from 1939, the history is that the area in spring 1944, after occupation of russian troops, isuued these provisional stamps. 15 Nov. 1945 the area became a part of Russia and russian stamps was used instead. Since 1991 it became a part of Ukraine.
The 3 large stamps has a cat. value of Euro 140.00 ($180.00) U.M. and the other Euro 180.00 ($230.00)U.M. But my catalog is from 1997 and thing has changed since. maybe someone have a newer catalog?

K.E 
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 875 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:28:47 PST   Listings
What does CYE mean?? Curb Your Enthusiasm??
Posted by bilbo   ( 306 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:26:56 PST   Listings
antonius-ra, hiya back at you! I hope you've been well!

postalhysteria, would you mind emailing me any contact info you might have for Mr. Ivy?

I just got back from the bourse and it was very small. 10 tables and other than myself, I saw no visitors the entire time I was there.

There was some interest in my pane but I did not sell it yet.

Does anybody know Byron Sandfield with Park City Stamps?
He expressed some optimism that he could locate a buyer for it and we exchanged information.
I showed it to him with some tagged examples next to it (under the UV light) and he quickly picked up his phone and started calling around.
I also noticed that it is now listed in the Scotts catalog but it is un priced, so I feel a lot more comfortable that it is authentic.
Of course everybody suggested it should go to an auction house, but I don’t know if I want to go to the trouble and delay.
Can anybody help me locate any upcoming well publicized auctions?
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:18:23 PST   Listings
Bjorn Thanks, thats good news also.
Would you happen to know what these CTO's are?
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:07:57 PST   Listings
Ant-ra, the rest are "liberation" issues from Mai/June 1945. CV in Michel 40-50 Euros for the first 3, and 10-40 each for the others. Note that the 20 has "1945", which was added to new printing of the 10 and 20 in July. The monetary unit is Hungarian Fillér.
Posted by ed845   ( 4297 ) on Jan-21-07 at 15:03:11 PST   Listings
D2

David, had to google it but there you are.

http://www.garudarestaurant.co.uk/menu.htm

Ed
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3321 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:45:33 PST   Listings
roly There is a US collector / exhibitor who has a APS National Level gold of that issue. I have always heard it called the Penny Dominion.
Posted by oggilby   ( 1176 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:35:58 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from the Great White Central Maryland, where there's an inch of snow on the ground and the all the roads have gone to hell! Things are normal for this area, the plows aren't dusting the roads (they weren't prepared even though the snow was in the forcast for 24 hours), wrecks everywhere, as people just have to go out and drive in teh snow for the great adventure. My four wheel drive is parked in the garage for the day, who needs the hassle, I'll go out at midnight!

A-RA--what a great collection!
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:25:18 PST   Listings
Ed, made up my mind, it will be Gule Kambing,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:22:25 PST   Listings
IO, sorry, I don't eat Udang (they aren't kosher), now if was Ayam Goreng Pedas that is OK,

David B.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:21:40 PST   Listings
After a few years I just added something new to my site Ukraine

Knud or anyone. Do you know what the story is behind the other stamps on this page?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:07:26 PST   Listings
David Sambal Udang Terung Pepit Benson?

Brad

That was indeed a nice family picture.

Uh oh!

Norleans is currently losing.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:03:59 PST   Listings
Knud Thanks for checking. It is to bad that one of those isn't used. Oh well I did not even know I had them. When I got that collection I catalogued it, writing values at the bottom of each page. I must not have been able to identify those because there were not notations.
Do you have a recent michel cat for that block?
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:02:33 PST   Listings
knuden, there are 2 items to Tripoli,

http://www.japhila.cz/hof/0034/index0034_62.htm

each one unique,

David B.
Posted by ik-postalhistory   ( 302 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:01:18 PST   Listings
Uppercanadian,

I believe U.C. was the only provincial designation used in the postmarks of Upper Canada until 1851 (the official transfer of the Canadian post office from British to
Canadian administration). After that, until about 1858, hammers were prepared with either U.C. or C.W. And from 1858 to 1867, hammers were only prepared with C.W. as
the designation.

Danny
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 14:00:00 PST   Listings
Knuden, whilst on the subject of Carpatho Ukraine, I presume you know about Otto Hornungs majestic collection of it's Postal History,

http://www.japhila.cz/hof/0034/index0034a.htm

If you look closely at it you will see a nice item he bought from me a few years ago, a cover from a Jewish bookseller addressed to Tripoli de Barberia in Libia, a most unusual destination,

David b.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3321 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:56:39 PST   Listings
UC BRAD CYE re Boggs, Jeff
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:32:34 PST   Listings
antonius - I was afraid someone would ask a question about Czech stamps, as my special catalogues is behind a lot of boxes - down bottom. Never the less I found them and .... no cigar. As far I can read, there is no different between the 2 stamps and the stamps from the block of four - they are the same. There is no paper variations, no color variations, no gum variations and no errors. In other words it's just another boring stamp. Just kidding. As it only was used one day, it's have a fasinating story and can you find one on a commercial cover, you have stuck a minor goldmine.
As I now is one of these catalog experts, I think I can hear Paul laughing in the background - but what the heck. :O)

K. "catalog expert" E. 
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:28:17 PST   Listings
Thanks roly for making my volcano collecting more of a nightmare.

What he neglects to mention (but he knows) on the excellent web pages is that Mount Egmont (a volcano, aka Taranaki)can be seen behind the mast of the ship.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:26:05 PST   Listings
Ed, what game,

p.s I know what we will be eating for lunch as we are heading out to do some shopping soon and will be having lunch in my favourite Indonesian restaurant,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:14:41 PST   Listings
well done roly .. :o)
Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:09:12 PST   Listings
Here is one I have been waiting for:

U is for the New Zealand Penny Universal
I have been collecting this stamp for several years now and is one of my specialty areas. Many start out collecting this stamp and soon give up because of its difficulties in plates, perfs, shades, papers etc. I started about two weeks ago, in anticipation of U, scanning my collection and making a website dedicated to the New Zealand Penny Universal. I have about 200 more to scans to go but here is where I am up to so far. All images can be clicked to either enlarge the image or to take you to another page with further explanations/info. Hopefully when I have finished (if ever) this will become a useful reference work for others collecting this interesting stamp. A definate "work in progress".
So without further ado I present for your viewing pleasure The NZ Penny Universal as my contribution to the alphabet soup. :)

Cheers

Roly
Posted by ed845   ( 4297 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:03:54 PST   Listings
iomoon
Jim, More like David 'What I am going to eat today' Benson.

D2 Any predictions for todays game David?

Ed
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 875 ) on Jan-21-07 at 13:01:41 PST   Listings
Paperhistory and deh3

Thanks very much for that information. I don't know much about Postal History, and this one is my first. I have had no time to do any research on it yet.

I have tried to pick up Boggs a couple of times, but always lose it in the last couple of seconds on Ebay.

Greenwave (Peter)

Thanks for the kind words and showing those Ugandans!!

All the best,

Brad
Posted by deh3   ( 1315 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:51:26 PST   Listings
uppercanadian No, the "18" is actually 18 and three quarters (cents), the US portion of the postage (from Utica to the exchange point at Queenston-Lewiston, collect; the US rate is based on mileage). The BNA rate mark is 1/4 (collect), one shilling 4 pence currency (not sterling), which incorporates the 18 3/4¢ rate (converting at rougly 24¢ = 1/ cy, although this varied) and adds in the BNA mileage. For the rates based on mileage for both US and BNA together with similar computations of the rates, see Boggs' Canada, Vol 1.
Posted by billsey   ( 840 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:51:02 PST   Listings
Mitch your Upper Volta is much better than mine, though mine has more pages. :-)
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:49:10 PST   Listings
I just want to point out that in the last 5 years it's
N.E. Patriots 3 championships;
the other 31 teams combined, 2 championships.
I just figured that people may have forgotten that.
Go Patriots.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:47:11 PST   Listings
Despite the fact that it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland!!

D2

David typeset Benson?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:37:58 PST   Listings
Jim I am a traditionalist if one is talking stamps it has to be GB not UK, and Ebay supports that view......:-)
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 409 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:36:25 PST   Listings
U Of course is for the famous stamp issuing entity of Urzhum

and don't forget Ustsysolsk
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:32:41 PST   Listings
When you get a stamp returned to you as it has a fake cancel, what should you do,

relist it and hope it sells,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260076096732&rd=1&rd=1


David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:26:27 PST   Listings
Peter

There is always UK!!
And for Rainer, UAE.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:17:57 PST   Listings
Mitch Actually I was in wind up mode, had expected to see a lot of USA postings kick off, knowing a large number of the posters on this board came from that side of the pond. Must be a game on.....
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:09:05 PST   Listings
U is for Unique (in the philatelic sense of only 1 existing): Sweden Three-Skilling Yellow and British Guiana Penny Magenta and US Scott 164. I'm sure there are other unique stamps - anyone have an image of one to share?

Bill D.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:08:40 PST   Listings
Mitchell

For some reason, I thought you might not be supporting Chicago!!

For the benefit of non-US readers, today is Championship day in US football.
First up Chicago and New Orleans, later New England and Indianapolis.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 12:02:16 PST   Listings
David Uganda Benson?
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:59:50 PST   Listings
Peter of course there is always:

Uruguay How many words have three U's

Ubangi

Upper Senegal and Niger

Upper Volta

Lets not forget the USA

Time for football.....GO SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:59:09 PST   Listings
David Whoops I knew I should have had Aussie wine tonight not the Chilean! I certainly can't afford the typewritten only the typeset.
Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 7750 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:53:41 PST   Listings
grenwave, sorry to be pedantic but that is my middle name. The Uganda are not typewritten they are typeset. The earlier isues and are very elusive,

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:48:47 PST   Listings
Shortage of U's seems like not a popular letter to start a country name with. U is for Uganda. The typewriter stamps of 1896 in this case, scanned in grayscale, well what else would you scan these in?

Brad Nice family picture!

cheers

Peter
Posted by mikedak   ( 1219 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:44:36 PST   Listings
Matt in Arizona,
re: Philly International machine
I was also at Aripex on Friday, and found some good stuff. Reg Morris published a couple books on Internationals about 25 years ago, one on the history of the company, and another listing the known markings. Both are very hard to find these days.

Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:41:19 PST   Listings
Ant-ra… Gorgeous ??????? and ????.

J


Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:10:44 PST   Listings
Hmm, I must have been busier than I thought. I only need 20 to complete Russia (USSR) including SS sheets, semis, airs etc. I sure would like to complete that monster someday.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1970 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:02:36 PST   Listings
p.s. Jeff: nice stel.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 11:01:19 PST   Listings
U if for Ukraine I was looking through my Ukraine today and had a very pleasant find. Ukraine was at the back of the last book of a 3 volume Russian collection I bought 17 years ago. I've only added 50 stamps or so to it but only have about 35 to complete Russia to 1990.
Anyways I found THIS at the very back of that volume. I did not even know I had it!
There was not just one but also a block of four. When I turned the page there was one more. I believe it was Bjorn (possibly Knuden) that mentioned this stamp a couple weeks ago. It was available at one post office for one day only (as I remember the story).
Bjorn, Knud, or anyone know if that single on the other page is somehow different than the others. I cannot understand why it was mounted on another page unless it were different.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1970 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:58:59 PST   Listings
Matt: Agree it is international. The internationals are one of the "frontiers" of machines -- no literature yet that I'm aware of. I only collect the early internationals from Ohio...neat example with the screw heads. I don't recall seeing similar.

uppercanadian: if you mean the 18 in the upper right (I don't see anything in the upper left), it's the US rate marking. It actually stands for 18 3/4 and would be the domestic portion of the rate (i.e, from Utica to the exchange office at the border). Nice crossborder cover!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3320 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:51:56 PST   Listings
Hi bilbo been a while.

Steve Ivy has an office in Richardson or somewhere close. If you are not in a fire sale situation you might contact them.

Jeff

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:50:21 PST   Listings
Hiya Bilbo
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:44:00 PST   Listings
Jaywild & PostalHysteria,

re: International

When I saw it I thought AMPC, but upon some more research (Hanmer) was not so sure. Thanks guys!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3320 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:38:17 PST   Listings
Matt: ditto jaywild, I once had a couple of Baltimores with screw heads, but in the bars somewhere
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:31:29 PST   Listings
Matt in AZ… It is an International cancel, TYPE C-11(2). I have never seen one with those “grub screws” showing, so that is very cool.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3320 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:29:00 PST   Listings

STEL DU JOUR

Posted by bilbo   ( 306 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:23:58 PST   Listings
Hey all you stampers! Long time no see!,

I hope all are well and happy!

I have a full pane of US1912-19 UNTAGGED.
I asked about this here many years ago, and there was one user who had purchased an untagged plate block for several hundred dollars, but that was the only means of estimating a value for a full pane.

I'm wondering if anybody has encountered any more of these, or have any current views on the errors/omissions market?

There is a bourse at the Richardson civic center today, and I'm thinking I may go up there and see if there are any interested buyers. Of course I know I'll only get a percentage of its full auction value, but I'd like to get an idea of highs and lows before I go. It's been so long since I was active in stamps, I've lost touch with the market in general, much less the specialized area of errors/omissions.

Also, does anybody happen to know if any of the board regulars are going to be there?
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 874 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:23:12 PST   Listings
sorry, should have been this
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 874 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:22:20 PST   Listings
U is for Uppercanadian Stamps

...... and family
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 874 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:20:58 PST   Listings
U is for Upper Canada
This stampless cover was posted on November 8, 1841 from Utica, New York to an address in Hamilton, Upper Canada. It crossed the Niagara River on November 11th at Queenston, U.C. It would have then made the 60km journey along the shores of Lake Ontario to Hamilton.

I believe that the addition of the "18" in the top left corner was actually written after the journey of the letter, and refers to a lot number that is discussed at length in this letter. Although the postmark reads U.C. for Upper Canada, in February of 1841, the Act of Union was past, which abolished the legislatures of both Upper and Lower Canada. The two Provinces were merged to become the Province of Canada. Upper Canada became known as Canada West, and gradually, over a period of about 8 years, the U.C. was replace with a C.W.. In 1867, Canada West would be renamed Ontario with the Confederation of Canada.

The author of this letter was Charles A. Mann, who was a U.S. Senator.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:17:06 PST   Listings
US Machine Cancel 1894...

Philadelphia 1894

I bought this at ARIPEX for the 3 screw heads impressed with the cancel. I'm not 100% sure on the company; American? International? Universal?

Paperhistory? Jaywild? Anyone?

TIA,

Matt in Arizona
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:10:18 PST   Listings
Jim Confess I was in the middle of scanning some Uganda for posting:-)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:08:48 PST   Listings
Correct Peter!!
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-21-07 at 10:05:49 PST   Listings
Jim Uganda
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 09:37:39 PST   Listings
Matt in Arizona

If they existed and I could afford it, I would.
However, I have seen about 10 postally used Manchukuo overprints on cover in almost eight years. None of which ended within my price range. And they were mostly the big cities such as Harbin and Changchung.

Late crossword clue:

Sounds like how you see (6).
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-21-07 at 09:25:43 PST   Listings
keleofa I definitely don't wan't to get into "mine is bigger than yours", but I think precancels have at least as much opportunity to be inifinite as perfins. I think a town and type collection, one of each pattern from each town in the US would be over 100,000 stamps. Then imagine one of each pattern in each stamp from each town. Absolutely mind boggling.

My issues collection is miniscule - just over 12,000 stamps in it. But I really only chase stamps for the type collection. My issue collection and my synoptic collections were started because I wanted something to do with the duplicates I had accumulated chasing types. I have five 14" red boxes of organized duplicates that don't fit into either collection.

Bill D.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 09:16:25 PST   Listings
Io,

Yes, I was generalizing. But you are not attempting to find each Manchukuo variety canceled by every known postmark device in the country. Nor am I recommending it!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-21-07 at 09:10:49 PST   Listings
KNUDEN -------Sure i'll answer you with a honest answer and please let this posting reflect any future posting that i make here ........ESCU --fell on its face over the last 24 hours For the first time a vulgar statement was posted about me/or anybody on this board ,but thats not upsetting but the actions of all the others here is surprising .

First nobody thought it wrong and express their point of view .

Second ,nobody reported it .

Third it was uncalled for I was talking to David and he has proven he can handle anything i say also BJORNMU was being civil about our differences . Then a clown had to get on and inflame the discussion .

Fourth,Then another member posts a supporting comical posting to the vular statement .

WERE WAS ALL THE MEMBERS WHO TRY TO HOLD A HIGH MORAL GROUND TO THIS CHAT ROOM ???????? .....YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH ....will i go away ---nah --- it reenforces my resolve

Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 09:03:50 PST   Listings
Er, Matt in Arizona

there are around 300 varieties of the Manchukuo locals, about 500 varieties of the SCADTA Tolima overprints, and a zillion (OK, hundreds) of Nicaragua, Zelaya and Cabo Gracias a Dios overprints. At the moment, my catalog extends to about 7,700 different stamps. Recently extended due to roly, but I don't want to usurp (hehe) his contribution to the "U's".
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 08:33:15 PST   Listings
knewt? Probably not a word.....


Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 08:32:04 PST   Listings
Bill,

re: Perfins

Very interesting. I always knewt perfin collecting was open ended but it really boggles the mind! Take Iomoon's volcano stamp collection - one or two copies of each (great work!), but with perfins, so many collectible varieties; towns, patterns, companies, by issue, errors. If anything could be closer to the infinite than the finite it is perfin collections!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-21-07 at 08:20:51 PST   Listings
keleofa it depends on what type of perfin collection: type (one of each pattern), issue (as many different types of stamp as possible on a particular pattern) or synoptic (one of each catalog number stamp with a perfin pattern (any pattern)). I think most perfin collectors (including me) mount their type collections face down, to better show the perfin pattern. Issue and synoptic collections (including mine) are typically mounted face up, to show the stamp.

I maintain an inventory of my perfin collections in Lotus 123, so I know what stamp the patterns are in without having to take the stamp out of the mount (the H1 I showed is in a 573).

Examples: Type Collection, Synoptic Collection and Issue Collection.

Bill D.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:58:03 PST   Listings
Good day all.

From a sunny but cool west Texas.

U is for Ua Pou.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:43:32 PST   Listings
Paperhistory,

Last year I bought a cancel that I couldn't identify at a bourse. Found out it was a Wesson TOB. I bought the La Posta Monograph and have been buying and studying them. I have no plan of action right now but I find them interesting and have probably 20+ covers.

Schools: I find those cancels interesting, too. I put a few to the side and now when I come across one I buy it. I have no idea why (mental illness?). Most University cancels are DPOs. Are there references available?

Most of what I have bought in both categories are late 19th to early 20th century. I haven't gotten into the older schoolhouse cancels you were discussing on Richard's board.

What about you?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:37:15 PST   Listings
Bill D (WRD3),

I don't collect perfins and have a question -- do you (and is that the norm?) mount the stamps printed side down?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1970 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:33:44 PST   Listings
Matt in AZ: methinks we overlap way too much. I also have an on-again, off-again collection of "school" post offices. Are you collecting Wessons now? I have a bunch.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 409 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:24:00 PST   Listings
U of course is for Upper Bongoland which has rich postal history as shown in the roving award winning national class exhibit.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:23:11 PST   Listings
And also, is it really one or the other? Isn't there a lot of ground between beginner and expert?
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:21:57 PST   Listings
NOIP minor personal philatelic milestone: with the arrival of supplies from Subway, I was able to mount this H1 pattern that I bought online recently. With this stamp I've reached the 50% point on my type collection of US perfins. The easy half is done.

Bill D.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3342 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:17:37 PST   Listings
ARIPEX...

I attended ARIPEX Saturday, in Tucson, Arizona. This show alternates annually between Phoenix and Tucson (about 120 miles apart on I-10). The Tucson show seems to get smaller every year, fewer dealers, fewer exhibits. The ARIPEX in Phoenix sees a lot more action.

Maybe dealers & exhibitors put off ARIPEX for the APS Show in Riverside, California in February?

Anyway, I picked up a couple of covers for my University collection (Stanford U cancel, Syracuse U cancel), and some Wesson Time-on-Bottom cancels. There were some nice exhibits and there was a good crowd at both exhibits and dealers. A&D Stamps' tables were full as usual, with people waiting for seats. Many of the dealers came from Phoenix and I see them (and their stock) at the monthly Phoenix bourse.

Jim (Jaywild) - Couldn't find those Arizona precancels. In fact, almost no dealers had any precancels. The ones I saw were common Bureau precancels, Phoenix, Tucson etc. Sorry!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-21-07 at 07:14:42 PST   Listings
It can be expensive to own "ALL" the catalogs. I own a bunch, so I'll try to ID stamps for people sometimes on here.
It certainly doesn't make me an expert.
No one was born an expert.


If you already know everything, you'll never learn anything.
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Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-21-07 at 06:29:48 PST   Listings
Expert ['exspə:t] noun. Person with special knowledge, skill or training.
(From The advanced learner's dictionary of current english".

Paul - Earlier you wrote: "on this board a philatelic expert is someone who can read a standard catalog" and "To me a expert has a reference libary and collects the area in question and can post items to support their arguement , not what we got here ....."
You wrote too: "I have hundreds if not thousands of articles,books,and research information on stamps ,it would be easy for me to show the stamps and post a few notes and drawing on the subject and let everybody think im a expert in that field but then i wouldn't be true to myself .We have enought of that already on here ,as i said earlier a lot {that means a few are real experts }are catalog experts and i just keep laughing about it ...sorry"
Now I would for a change like you to tell me, who you consider are an expert here on this board and why.
As to these you call "catalog experts", I can't see what is wrong to be helpfull, when someone ask aquestion, open a catalog (which the one who ask don't have) and answer the question. I don't know anyone here, who calls himself an "expert" by that - they are all very helpfull persons.
When you say "and i just keep laughing about it", you are insulting a lot of helpfull people.
You are self sometime a helpfull guy, who answer questions now and then - should I laugh at you then?
For a change, I would this time ask you to answer me - normaly you mostly pass my my question to you with ignorance and silence.

K.E 

Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-21-07 at 06:18:37 PST   Listings
NOIP the t entries can be seen here.

stamps12345 I'm happy for you that you have such a large reference library and collection. Doesn't change my opinion of you, your expertise, or your wonderful mastery of the English language.

Bill D.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1189 ) on Jan-21-07 at 04:17:52 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Linda
Hope Dinner was good, both the company and the food. :8^ )

FWIW: My yard is snow covered for the first time this winter. I havn't been outside to check the depth, but they've predicted from 2 to 4 inches by evening.


In keeping with the "U" theme here’s a Union City Indiana 632 on a NRA stamp.

Jim L.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-21-07 at 04:00:13 PST   Listings
Oh, I don't know if I posted this one. Someone was using it for a bookmark in a book I found in the attic.
Front

Back
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-21-07 at 03:45:18 PST   Listings
Good morning, it's still a snow free zone here in SE Massachusetts. It IS cold right now though (10°F), maybe the heat wave is finally over?

Roger: Believe it or not, there were people golfing when I drove by the local course yesterday. A little cold to golf perhaps, but the grass is still very green.

I think we will probably pay for this weather next month.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-21-07 at 00:53:12 PST   Listings
I see that Christiania and Christiandssand has already been explained. Both named after Danish(-Norwegian) King Christian IV. There is also Christianssund (now Kristiansund). To avoid confusion with Kristiansand one often writes Kristiansand S and Kristiansund N, S/N stands for South/North. The change (back) to Oslo has nothing to do with Sweden.

BTW Peetah, that's a very nice cancel you had. It's also a "late" usage of the skilling stamp. When speciedaler and skilling were replaced by kroner and øre from 1-1-1877, there was a need for a new set of posthorn stamps. But the 10 øre was delayed for 6 months. It was exactly equivalent to 3sk which was the basic domestic letter rate, so it was decided to use up the remaining stock of these first. The 20 øre was similarly delayed for a year while one used up the 6sk. That's why there is no "late usage" of these two as for the 1, 2, 4 and 7sk posthorn and a few older ones, and also why these are much rarer in unused condition.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-20-07 at 23:51:06 PST   Listings
Brad (and others) Many thanks for your "large" help, especially the link to the small queens site. I have a large heap of those so can spend this evening studying them.
cheers
Peter
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-20-07 at 22:56:50 PST   Listings
briguy… Here’s an unusual Civil War item—I can’t imagine many postal history items from the Corps d’Afrique still exist.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by sheryll*net   ( 90 ) on Jan-20-07 at 22:27:00 PST   Listings
This T cover is dedicated to the exhibitor of "Tonga - the philatelically sticky period". It should also help to make Knud-Erik's work up in the balcony a little easier.....

S2
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 22:11:29 PST   Listings
WRD3/BILL D. -----You have a hard time reading my postings ---------so the nice fellow that i am,im going to go slow that you will understand ............1st----Im a stamp collector ,i said that 5 years ago ,last year and again earlier today -----I collect stamps its a hobby . Not a exhibitor,not a author,not a philatelist ,not a expert ----I COLLECT STAMPS .

I have hundreds if not thousands of articles,books,and research information on stamps ,it would be easy for me to show the stamps and post a few notes and drawing on the subject and let everybody think im a expert in that field but then i wouldn't be true to myself .We have enought of that already on here ,as i said earlier a lot {that means a few are real experts }are catalog experts and i just keep laughing about it ...sorry

Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-20-07 at 22:03:03 PST   Listings
Brad -
Talking about trees, they start rustling here about mid-day, and then it really cooled off. Went from about 82° down to 78° in minutes. We had to pretty much turn off all the fans at our checkpoint as they became unnecessary. And I'm sitting here for the first time this winter wearing a long sleeved poly-pro sweater. Off course it will still be shorts to work tomorrow. All th4e golfers will be coming through our checkpoint after the conclusion of the "Masters" golf at Hualalai resort. It wil be fun to screen some of them.


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David B -
I found another interesting card in the selection I received. I obviously couldn't tell from the scan, but an 1882 5 centimes card uprated with a 5 centimes white paper numeral was there. That will more than pay for everything else. Feelin' good this week.

Roger
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 21:45:14 PST   Listings
Double grin
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 21:37:06 PST   Listings
Upper, it is a Large Queen not a Small Queen, I wouldn't even discuss Samll Queens as they are extremely complex, beyond my expertise especially from scans

Well, I think I have now proven my 'expertise' in Canadian stamps. All of you - prostrate yourselves before me.

Yes, of course it is a large queen. My only explanation is that I 'missed the forest for the trees'. I was looking so closely at the colour and for re-entries, that I missed the obvious. I don't claim to be an expert on Canada, but honestly I do know the difference between the large and small queens.

I feel rather silly right now.

Brad
Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-20-07 at 21:28:42 PST   Listings
peetah -
I think you mean page 6 where a stamp was cancelled in 1885, but the text notes "For the Christmas season 1885 this postmark was taken out of retirement." I don't think you can draw conclusions for 1886. The razor cancels I collect were "lost and later "found" for use so nothing is absolutely impossible, but there should be proof one way or another, especially after 145 years.

Roger
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 20:46:45 PST   Listings
malolo Impressive. I note an 1885 cancel on page 4. I guess that means an 1884 cancel is not all that late after all?
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:44:09 PST   Listings
shhhh! Linda's Sunday bookmark. - going out to dinner now! :o)
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:42:31 PST   Listings
Uppercanadian An easy way of identifying the 6 cent 1868-76 (large Queen) Scott #27 and the 6 cent 1870-89 (small Queen) is the bottom label. The label containing the denomination is flat on the earlier issue and curved on the later. <:~`)
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1189 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:37:12 PST   Listings
due2cents
Neat Horseshoe cover. I just got done watching bits and pieces of “Seabiscuit” on TV tonight.


In keeping with the "T" theme here’s some Kokomo Stamp Club card cancels.

First two different Trumpet players:
Card 45-4.

Card 46-1.

A Torch
Card 38-9.


And a Tractor
Card 44-11.

Jim L.
Posted by due2cents   ( 23 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:24:33 PST   Listings
Matt
My first one of these type.
It was just neat to find, goes into my box of precan on cards.
Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:23:24 PST   Listings
Kristiania cancels, a great exhibit (6.3MB) which I have saved for future reference. I will take it down tomorrow evening, so for help in drawing your conclusions pertaining to the “6” and “8”“debate”. See especially page 4, and page 6 and compare the numerals.

Roger
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1970 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:16:44 PST   Listings
pro: somewhere I have a cover or two with that Cincinnati precancel, which was used by a variety of users as far as I can tell. It's an interesting one, especially for Ohio. I have a pile of Ohio precancels about but it's not a collection I've pursued much in recent years.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 398 ) on Jan-20-07 at 19:12:30 PST   Listings
peetah, wrd3
I seem to recall that CHRISTIANIA is both an earlier AND a later name for OSLO. I.e., it was Oslo before it was Christiania, and once again after (~1925 or so I think). Maybe one of the Scandianvian regulars can enlighten us further, but it has something to do with the dissolution of the personal union between Sweden and Norway.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3318 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:57:07 PST   Listings
Sniped by DB
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3318 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:56:25 PST   Listings
The 6c Canada stamp is a Large Queen, not Small Queen
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:53:25 PST   Listings
Upper, it is a Large Queen not a Small Queen, I wouldn't even discuss Samll Queens as they are extremely complex, beyond my expertise especially from scans,

David B.
Posted by due2cents   ( 23 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:44:54 PST   Listings
Not a T item but got this today and really liked it
CincyPreCancel
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:43:00 PST   Listings
peetha I have to admit lack of knowledge of geography of Norway, but based on some googling it Christianssand is the former name of Kristiansand, whle Christiana is an earlier name for Oslo.

Bill D.
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:32:31 PST   Listings
With apologies for showing my lack of knowledge of the geography of Norway, are Christiana and
Christianssand one and the same?
uppercanadian you said, ".....In the end, regardless as to your specific aspect of philately, whether it be Swiss Cantons, Sled-Dog Mail, the whole World or Winnie the Pooh, just participating in some way strengthens the hobby; and as long as you enjoy, and just want to talk about, then post away....!!!!
Very well said!!
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:24:59 PST   Listings
For more information, check out this website about Canada's Small Queen Issue
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:21:27 PST   Listings
I thought I should clarify that although in my earlier message, I pointed out the exceptional 'pedigree' or David Benson, I only used him as an example, and certainly wasnot declaring him the only poster here that could be considered an 'expert'.

Bill D. was wise to point out more of them in his message, to which I would add that I am certain that there are many others. In the end, regardless as to your specific aspect of philately, whether it be Swiss Cantons, Sled-Dog Mail, the whole World or Winnie the Pooh, just participating in some way strengthens the hobby; and as long as you enjoy, and just want to talk about, then post away....!!!!
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 18:15:28 PST   Listings
Greenwave

David Benson alluded to, the Small Queen issue from Canada as being very difficult to classify. The stamps were intially printed in Ottawa, then in Montreal, and then back in Ottawa. They were printed and used for a 25 year period. Even the Unitrade Canada Specialised, which is considered the authority, in terms of Canadian stamp catalogues, lists most of the varieties and printings but forgoes on any methods as to how to ascertain which is which. The early Ottawa and Montreal Printings have a much finer paper stock, than on the later Ottawa Printings, which tend to be much more coarse.

So type of paper, colour, and perforations are generally the way to classify this one. I don't see any recognisable re-entries, that would make classification easier, but based on the colour (which of course is somewhat dependent on your scanner)and your description of the paper, I am leaning, but not unequivocally, towards the Montreal Printing in Brown on the thin low quality paper. That would be Scott # 39d. With no gum and the poor centring, it would catalogue around Can$150.00.

I cannot advise on the Stanley Gibbons number, as they have broken the issue down very differently from Unitrade (Scott).
All of that said, I would advise to simply list it as a 6-Cent Small Queen MNG on thin paper. Unless you are a known dealer, most buyers will assume that the Small Queen selling is the lowest valued variety, again, due to the difficulty in classifying it and the inability of most to do it properly.

As for the 10 cent Jacques Cartier, I only wish I had enough of them to do a thorough study.

All the best,

Brad
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 17:55:31 PST   Listings
dbenson Your post at Jan-20-07 at 13:52:03 PST is very similar to what a Club member emailed me. I just received permission from him to forward his comments.
Personally, there are fonts that look so similar that I cannot tell the difference. He can... that's his area of expertise. The different marking devices are not, though I assume he would logically be aware that marking devices will likely vary from one stamp to the next. That's a variable he cannot control. The one constant he has given me his opinion on, is this cancel on this stamp.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3318 ) on Jan-20-07 at 17:02:48 PST   Listings

I LOVE IT WHEN SNIPES WORK

Posted by djs127   ( 557 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:47:52 PST   Listings
Friday morning it snowed in New York City but melted by the afternoon but it did turn colder! Burrr! Winter is here -- time to start up the heater in the stamp den!
David Snyder
Posted by 1covers   ( 1270 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:08:45 PST   Listings
David - bite your tongue!

Jim - You are a teacher. A far better occupation than being an author. Teaching the process to others ... that's the most rewarding thing a teacher can do. Kudos to you and all in your profession.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:07:24 PST   Listings
David Tried the twang test which sounded like more of a twing! Its certainly thin crisp paper.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:04:47 PST   Listings
Richard, nice stamp, however how would it grade seeing that it is lopsided,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:04:29 PST   Listings
Richard

Same for me.
When the head of the Smithsonian Volcanology program dies at 5 years junior to me.
You have been churning out books for the last few years by yourself and with others.
More power to you.
When we die, the knowledge dies with us, unless there is a permanent record.
Depressing, certainly, but true.

I only knew about your RF collection, which was the basis for "as far as I know".
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:04:15 PST   Listings
Mitch Many thanks for your help. Unfortunatley the 6c is missing the gum:-(

Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 15:03:16 PST   Listings
Greenwave, I wouldn't make a comment on the Canada without flicking the paper to see how it sounds, if I can hear the " twang " then it is the thin transparent paper, if I can't then it is the thicker stout wove paper, how is that for a scientific approach, however seeing you mentioned that the design shows through then the chances are that it is the thin tranparent paper although that should be darker than your scan,

David B.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1270 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:58:46 PST   Listings
And, since you folks are looking at "T"'s - here is a little Thurn & Taxis cover recently added to my collection.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:56:59 PST   Listings
Peter You can see the differences in those early Queens here
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:54:39 PST   Listings
Ehem, I won't consider myself an expert in any particular field, but I have acquired a great deal of general knowledge of Norwegian stamps (and some others), plus I have access to (some) reference literature.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1270 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:54:08 PST   Listings
Jim - that is just depressing really! Too many of my friends and colleagues have died.

I will say that just handling, or owning, philatelic material does not an expert make. Running auctions forced me to look critically at every item that passed thru my hands and it is from those examinations that experience was gained. It is all about learning.

I do collect covers - mostly world classic imperfs on cover before 1860.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:53:31 PST   Listings
Peter First stamp is from the first issue 1868-78 (don't know the S.g. #) Probably Yellow-Brown Scott cat around $1,150 mint. Second one I would call deep blue. The color is determined by the darkest areas of the stamp.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:33:29 PST   Listings
Can I ask the "experts" and "catalogue experts" for advice on these 2 stamps from Canada. The first I think is SG50 but SG doesn't show the design for the 6c. The paper is thin and crisp and design shows through. The second from Colony of Canada would the colour be blue to deep blue and any ideas whether it is type A or Type B? Yes it is a space filler and the top also has a close tear repair:-)


cheers

Peter
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:26:30 PST   Listings
Paul

I can assure you, I spend a great deal more time in my academic life editing the writing of others rather than providing new information on specific subjects whether that writing be that of students or full-blown professors.

I do not get credit for my rewrites of other people's work (usually).

There are many people on this board I would consider to be experts in their own fields, without naming them.

Richard...1covers, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, has provided an alternative definition which if you replace guesses with predictions is the basis for scientific knowledge.
He does not, as far as I know, collect covers but, in terms of turnover through his hands, has probably seen more US 19th century covers than anyone else alive.
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:16:04 PST   Listings
stamps12345 I disagree with your statement "a expert ..... not what we got here" (sic). There are several people I would consider experts who generously share their knowledge freely on this board. Not an exhaustive list, but this would include iomoon (volcanos on stamps), knuden (sudatenland), saphiletics (Saxony), rolyrj (New Zealand), malolo (Razor cancels, Switzerland standing helvetias), dbenson (Tonga, Niger Coast Protectorate), jaywild (early US), 1covers (early US, US Postal History), infla-alec (German inflation period), 22028 (Tibet). The list could go on and on. All of these people do much, much more than just "read the catalog". Even if your comment was just as relates to early Norway, we have people with in-depth knowledge such as bjornmu (who may well be an expert in this field ..... my memory just isn't good enough to recall discussions on early Norway in previous board postings).

Your comment that all it takes to be an expert is an ability to read a catalog shows why you appear to feel you are an expert on everything. I would not classify you an expert in any area. You have a good general knowledge of world-wide stamps. You obviously spend a great deal of time on your collection, and from what I can tell you love stamp collecting as much as anyone. But you have demonstrated no expert knowledge (which to me means you know much more than is written in one or two catalogues) on any area. The problem is you appear to think you are an expert because you have read catalogs, so you post from a perspective of certainty when your knowledge is paper thin, and your post should more accurately reflect opinion than fact.

In the case of peetah's cancel you stated it was questionable because the type of cancellation was not used at that time (from your earlier post: "the cancel is questionable .My point of view is that ---the cancel was not the type of cancel used in Norway in the 1860's more like the type used in the 1880's and beyond "). That assertion has been shown incorrect by bjornmu, who's opinion is much more reliable in this area than yours is. Now you claim superior knowledge and foresight because you stated the cancel was questionable .... while conveniently ignoring that your reasoning was wrong.

Bill D.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 14:08:52 PST   Listings
Publish or die - hardly, but prancing around on a couple of bulletin boards is a long way from what most of us here would consider the necessary background for declaring anyone even 'considered knowledgeable' except in what would be considered very narrow areas of expertise. I don't think the term 'expert' is really applicable to a hobby.

Not saying that it is necessary to publish books, but articles in magazines or journals and most certainly exhibiting I think are most important before claiming any expertise in a subject.

Mr.Benson is a philatelic judge, and has specialised and exhibited on the Postal History of Tonga from 1825 to 1894 and the Niger Coast Protectorate. He is certainly going to be my "go-to-guy" for those two issuing entities.

Myself, I think I may be a little younger than David, but probably started collecting at about the same age he did. I have collected ever since and have read a plethora of material, but I know my place in terms of the philatelic world. I am a collector, and until I really specialise, read, read, read, exhibit, and then publish a few articles, I will always remain so.

Posted by 1covers   ( 1270 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:58:35 PST   Listings
NOIP - "Make three correct guesses consecutively and you will establish a reputation as an expert" (anon.)

No full sheets required.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:52:03 PST   Listings
Peetah, I doubt if a font expert can even make comments on postmarking devices without knowing the type of implement that was used and whether it was capable of having the date slugs interchangeable and whether different types of slugs were used on the same implement at various times during it's life as a cancellor. Only an expert that specialises in cancellations would know and most of them show little interest in the various slugs used for the dates but more for the different implemenets used. As Bjorn stated a few times Christiana used more than one datestamp at a time and comparisons have shown that the type on your stamp was used in 1864, I can't understand why anyone would query it. My original comment to you was that I would be more worried about the cancel being genuine than if it was used in 1864 or 1884 as the stamp is scarcer used than mint, since then Bjorn has verified that the cancel is genuine,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:46:40 PST   Listings
didn't mean that not" mean that"
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:45:27 PST   Listings
PEETAH-----I know you did mean that .....the posting from Jim/Iomoon left out the "and collects the subject" .

Jim knows better ,he is just pulling my chain .He knows a lot of experts outside of the academic world who are poor writers or not good on putting their knowledge on paper but noless they are still experts . He was trained in the publish or die mind set ,he got a academic mind set .

Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:34:40 PST   Listings
stamps12345 Ok, he makes no claim to philatelic expertise. Nor do I for that matter.
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:31:10 PST   Listings
iomoon In reference to FONTS 1864 vs 1884, I find your definition of expert is agreeable.
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-20-07 at 13:15:51 PST   Listings
stamps - Your remark at 12:45:49 PST I find personaly degrading and condescending and will consider not to show and tell more on this board!

K.E 
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:52:11 PST   Listings
Paul

It depends what you mean by a reference library.

To me, the "expert" is the one who writes the reference library, not the one who reads it.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:45:49 PST   Listings
PEETAH-----I have a hard time with your statement "YIELD TO PHILATELIC EXPERTS " on this board a philatelic expert is someone who can read a standard catalog .

To me a expert has a reference libary and collects the area in question and can post items to support their arguement , not what we got here .....paul

Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:34:19 PST   Listings
stamps12345 Here is what I posted awhile ago. " Based on knowing his background,academic and professional, he should be regarded as expert with fonts. He will gladly yield to philatelic experts (or the 2 writers above) in matters of philately....".
He has never posted in here and I would guess, he never intends to. I do not think he is even a registered eBayer.
to other(s)opinion(s) of 64 or 84 They are appreciated, but Ouch!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:31:34 PST   Listings
OK, we've had Blitz perfs,

so how about Beatles perfs.

Plus throw out any further pretence of only Royalty and dead personages on British stamps. Even if Paul McCartney was knighted.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:22:49 PST   Listings
Paul, I take that as you believe it is a fake cancel and the date doesn't matter,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:21:15 PST   Listings
DAVID B. -----If i say im in the questionable group ,than no oneelse would state the same because you know the rest of the board would hold it against them .so i'll be the only one in "questionable "
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:17:08 PST   Listings
Paul, waiting for your vote, 1864 or 1884,

David B.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:11:45 PST   Listings
The cross bar on the 8, is much higher than the one on the 'questionable' 6. I therefore support the 1864'ers!!!
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:10:05 PST   Listings
Prochute,

Yes, I agree with what you are saying about the Scott catalogue focus. The Unitrade catalogue for Canada, which is licsensed to use Scott numbers, is the standard catalogue here. As Scott makes changes to numbers, Unitrade is forced to follow, although Unitrade will add many subcategories to those numbers.

I think that the Scott Classic 1840-1940, is making strides to be more all-encompassing, but the fact remains that no one catalogue can cover the world to the depth of a specialised catalogue. Still, I think that Scott does a pretty good job as a global catalogue, as does Stanley Gibbons. Scott does update the world yearly though, where SG will allow some catalogues to go years without an update. Not too sure about the global coverage of Michel or Yvert.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:03:43 PST   Listings
PEETAH , BJORNMU , DAVID B . , SAPHILATELIC , ED845 , SOGGY333 , --------Now that the subject has been beat to death , sounds like the person who posted the statement " The cancel is questionable " was the person who was the expert and gave the right opinion ......LOL .....you got to give me a day or so to stop laughing about it ...... "EXPERT" sheesh im a worldwide collector...LOL
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:03:42 PST   Listings
May as well try the democratic method and vote for 1864 or 1884.

My vote is 1864,

who wants to keep tally,

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 504 ) on Jan-20-07 at 12:01:05 PST   Listings
dc Unclear censor control cancel but chances are it should read, "Überwachungstelle Aachen" Simply meaning a control zone or office.
Further to my post yesterday about the part cash paid cover. I have spoken to the relevant Infla expertizer and he confirms that it is indeed a very rare franking. The only downside is that the actual amount part paid in cash is preferably written also. But this did not always happen.Even so a lovely piece of postal history that I shall endevour to acquire.It'll do nicely until I can find a better example.
Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-20-07 at 11:56:58 PST   Listings
Sneeky - Ey Ey Master - at your command.
> > > > > > > > > >

K.E 
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-20-07 at 11:54:11 PST   Listings
bjorn… I am a “Nielsen TV family”, part of the demographic that is used to rate viewership of US TV programs, and sometimes they also send email surveys for me to answer. At the end of one I completed today was the message “Thanks for completing the survey” in several different languages.

peetah… Here is a side-by-side comparison of Ant-Ra’s 1864 cancel, and that found on your stamp. Since Bjorn says that KRISTIANIA cancel wasn’t in use as late as 1884, I would guess that’s further evidence the cancel is probably 1864.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by knuden   ( 2187 ) on Jan-20-07 at 11:38:31 PST   Listings
dcderoo - Your German occupation of Belgium Postal car is sent to Netherlands and the cancel on the imprinted stamp has Bjornmu correct told about but the large cancel on the left is a German censor cancel applied in Aachen. The small cancel is a dutch cancel, which the postman applied.

K.E 
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 11:31:56 PST   Listings
prochute, never heard the term " War Perfs " before but doesn't matter as it conveys the same meaning as " Blitz Perfs ".

David B.
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:59:28 PST   Listings
Scott should only be used as a credible reference source of US stamps and as a BASIC reference for most/all other countries. I cannot stress this enough! They do not recognize the scarce British "WAR PERFS" as we say here in the states. However, they will list a perf 13.5 or 13.75 stamp as perf 14 which is really incorrect except for perhaps, US stamps.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:33:42 PST   Listings
How to turn a 50-cent stamp into a $30 stamp....


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Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:25:30 PST   Listings
antonius-ra Ok, I see your new link. I was writing as you were, apparently. Thanks for putting it back up.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:24:53 PST   Listings
Snaefellsjokull seemed to go down well so,

here is T is for Tangkubanperahu.
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:21:32 PST   Listings
bjorn Wrote: ". . . .I think we can agree it's unclear and could be interpreted as either 64 or 84." Agreed. (I had already admitted earlier, with tongue in cheek, I wished the second 8 was clearer). The remaining analysis of the two eights, I'll defer to my guy.
bjornmu also wrote, "The skilling stamps were not in use from 1878 to 1887, but from 1888 a number of them came on the market again and were used but philatelists until they finally became invalid for postage in 1908". I'll defer to bjornmu, as I make no claim to being any more knowledgeable of the stamps of Norway than what little is provided by Scott. I also defer to bjornmu when he wrote, ". . . . Then, since an 1884 usage would be extremely rare, maybe even impossible, . . . ."
antonius-rawrote, "I can't really see what all the fuss is about anyway". Perhaps the 2 emailers initially challenging me via email, lend credence to bjornmu's assertion of "extremely rare"? Why else would they bother writing me?
Then antonius-ra asks, "I wonder how many copies of the same postmark that font expert guy used to compare?". Answer, just that one.
I have to admit, several members of my stamp club, who have been sitting in the balcony have emailed me conflicting opinions. At least they will have the benefit of examining the stamp at this Wednesday's meeting. And so far, it looks like stamps12345 will be having a similar opportunity, LOL.
antonius-ra Your link at Jan-20-07 at 09:30:29 PST does not work. Any chance of putting it up again? I would like to see it.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:19:40 PST   Listings
The term for the emergency perforations in England caused by the damage to the printing & perforating machines is BLITZ PERFS.

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:14:25 PST   Listings
Strictly speaking, is says the test or whatever, not this.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:12:26 PST   Listings
Jim, close enough, it's Danish. "Thanks a lot for spending time on this [examination|test|investigation]". The translation of the last word depends on the context.

Where did you find this?
Posted by breffington   ( 341 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:06:11 PST   Listings
DRAGONSTAMPS-Neither I nor my wife are sports fans, I'm ashamed to say, but this film held us like a stamp auction with your prized lot coming up for bid. Vince Lombardi, the famous football coach, said"Winning is everything." But the coach in this movie had a different take on winning and what the goal of sports should be. I won't say what it is as I'd be spoiling the movie for you. Frank
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-20-07 at 10:03:03 PST   Listings
NOIP… Out of curiosity, what language is this in?

Mange tak, fordi du har brugt tid på undersøgelsen.

Norwegian maybe?

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:55:31 PST   Listings
Arrgh, here and
here
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:54:39 PST   Listings
Frank

Yep, Texans get really into High School football.
Normally most of the town have a son, grandson, nephew etc on the team.
When there is an away game, the road through town is bedecked with team colors on all the street signs. The team bus is preceded by the entire police force with lights flashing and horns blaring and followed by an entourage of faithful relatives such that a "wagon train" of 50 to 100 cars can leave town together.

Here is our local league. There is no scale on the map, but Alpine to Van Horn is just over 100 miles.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:52:43 PST   Listings
Jim That's weird I've never seen that happen before.
If I'm not mistaken you might consider yourself sort of a font expert.
Well here it is again. Also here is the one that is in question. I also find it a tad revealing that there are traces of the all of the numerals, except in the area in question (top right of the 6)
Posted by jaywild   ( 910 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:43:46 PST   Listings
Ant-Ra… Your link just refreshes the board, it doesn’t lead anywhere.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:33:56 PST   Listings
132 is roughly $26 American.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:32:53 PST   Listings
Frank: That's good is it? I keep meaning to watch that but they have to move it to a better night.

With that name though, they almost have to put it on Friday. :) It's doomed if that's the case.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:31:40 PST   Listings
So what is SG price for #132 with a Comb Perf. MNH???
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:31:16 PST   Listings
uppercanadian

SG 132 = Scott 127b
SG 132b = Scott 127a
SG 132ba = Scott 127
SG 132a = Scott xxxx

i.e., it isn't listed in Scott.

Ed

Really??? :-)
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:30:37 PST   Listings
And I am not sure if the minor variety in Scott is the same stamp or not? It's US$10.(2006)for it. That can't be for the line perf variety?
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:30:29 PST   Listings
Bjorn I agree 100% that the date is 1864. Comparing his postmark with the same on the 8 skill here, it is obvious (to me) they are the same. As you noted the the bottom "bowl" is wider on the 6 than the 8. If you look at the top of the bottom bowl where it intersects the top bowl it is obviously much shorter than that of the 6.
I doubt they will believe us but who really cares. I can't really see what all the fuss is about anyway. I wonder howe many copies of the same postmark that font expert guy used to compare?
Posted by breffington   ( 341 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:29:06 PST   Listings
IOMOON-Last night I watched "Friday Night Lights" with one of my favorite actors Billy Bob Thornton. For those who haven't seen it see it. About small town Texas and the part football plays in life there. For them it is life. Movie conveyed the tension of working up to the state championships and how the whole town is galvanized by the games.Riveting and a window into Texans and there love of sports.Keeping this philatelic one of the greatest football coaches of all time, Vince Lombardi, was immortalized on a US commemorative and where first day covers go for $1.75 from that era his goes for $7 in the old catalog I'm looking at. Frank
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:28:20 PST   Listings
Uppercanadian:

SGibbons gives an extra variety, a 132a that has line perf.
I should have seen that, it was there... I went with the obvious... he listed it using the cheap number, with the expensive price.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:25:37 PST   Listings
dcderoo, first teh postmark: Lier is the German name for Lierre in Belgium. The address says "Via Aken", Aken is the Dutch name for Aachen in Germany. The purple handstamp also seems to say something with Aachen. I don't know what the P.2 is for.

The language is Dutch (Flemish and Dutch are really the same language) but I can't translate, I only know enough to identify it. :-) OK, I'm pretty sure it starts "I thank you", and it may continue "... for all that you do for us". The next sentence includes "my father" but then I give up...
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:19:18 PST   Listings
In Scott, the Line Perf (14 as they list it) is #127b and valued at US$4.75, and at best $8.00 NH. Is SG's pricing that far out from Scott??
Posted by ed845   ( 4297 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:14:10 PST   Listings
uppercanadian

If you do decide to join the Powersellers programme be prepared to get some abuse on this board. There are people about who appear to have an intense dislike of Powersellers.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:13:43 PST   Listings
My only Stanley Gibbons is from 1988, at that stamp mint is listed as Pds.St. 4.00 - 6.00, depending on the perf or the colour. I guess because of the the perfs given, it is comb perfed, not line perfed, although my SG doesn't give a value for the two perf differences. In Scott's it is listeed as Jamaica 127, which is valued at US$2.00 - 4.75. His auction claims Pds.Stlg 1200+++. What am I missing??
Posted by ed845   ( 4297 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:12:20 PST   Listings
There's an echo in here
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:11:23 PST   Listings
dragonstamps Forget about catalogue number, The true perf 14 printed in 1941 on substitute perforating machines after London was shelled, MUST BE LINE PERF 14.2 on all sides which this clearly is not. It is comb perf!

uppercanadian If the invitation was not received in your MY EBAY messages inbox, it is a bogus invitation!
Posted by ed845   ( 4297 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:10:43 PST   Listings
uppercanadian:

If the message is in your ebay messages folder then it will be OK. If it does not show in your messages then it will be fake.

Ed
Posted by iomoon   ( 1040 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:08:45 PST   Listings
Good day all.

From a wet west Texas where the forecasts of snow was wrong.

prochute

The expensive variety is a line perf, not a comb perf.
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:06:28 PST   Listings
Jester_Roj

I just did a quick check for Irish Sweepstakes tickets, and it does not appear that they garner too much interest on Ebay. There was a 1957 ticket starting at 99-cents, with no bids and only one day left. Unless of course, your ticket is a winning ticket!!!
Posted by uppercanadian   ( 872 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:03:07 PST   Listings
Hi,

I just received an email inviting me to become a Power Seller. I looked on Ebay, and it says that if you qualify, you will be invited by email to join. I believe that I qualify.

The thing is, I receive 100's of emails every month prompting me to sign into to Ebay directly from the email - and of course I don't. I have had this invitation before, and have never joined as I am assuming it is a scam. I believe this latest email is as well, as the sign-in address page is http://www.coneman.tv .

It just seems to me that it is pretty stupid of Ebay to invite people to a program by email, when there is so much fraudulence around. Why not use the internal messaging, such as the way they inform us when there are
Special Listing Days.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-20-07 at 09:00:34 PST   Listings
Prochute: I think he tried to call that stamp a 132a, instead he lists it as a 132. So the ID is wrong. I don't know if it is a 132a though, but the odds might be against it?
Posted by jester_roj   ( 2 ) on Jan-20-07 at 08:17:24 PST   Listings
Good Day All
I am not a stamp collector and know nothing about it but I think I am at the right place to ask my question.
I am an old guy and years ago I bought an Irish Sweepstakes Ticket and then put it in my tool box, I was a machinist.
When I put it away it was between two pieces of plastic. Well I just found it again, are there collectors for this item, where would I list it and any idea of the value?
One last thing what would be the safest way to ship to a buyer?
Thanks for all the help in advance.
Allen
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Posted by dcderoo   ( 1643 ) on Jan-20-07 at 07:57:36 PST   Listings
I need more than a bit of help with this one.
It's a German occupation of Belgium postal card (H&G F-12.)

I'll start with the easier(?) question.
There are three handstamps on the address side (cancel plus 2 others.)
What do they mean?
Address side

Now the hard question.
Is the message more than a 'Hi. How are you?'
I don't know whether it's Dutch or Flemish.
Message side

Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-20-07 at 07:36:42 PST   Listings
Philatelic Quiz:

What's wrong with the stamp & description per item 200067802742? I bet David Benson will know immediately!
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1189 ) on Jan-20-07 at 04:30:09 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


In keeping with the "T" theme here’s six Kokomo Club Cards with Turkeys:

card 18-11.

card 20-11.

card 22-10.

Card 35-10.

card 47-11.

Card 46-11.

Jim L.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-20-07 at 02:49:41 PST   Listings
Lindy,

the 8 listers is referring to a Paypal account, it may be his or he is using someone else's,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-20-07 at 01:04:40 PST   Listings
David B> that 'artistic philatelists' payment conditions are somewhat weird too...shipment within a fortnight???? and what does this mean??? 8 listers on this id?



Shipment of sold lots at least once every week to a fortnight at the latest. All lots are shipped registered airmail. No exceptions. Shipping costs vary according to weight and size and where lot listed. There are 8 listers in this account. Costs vary between $2 to a maximum $15 and a fee per lot of $1.50 which is donated to UNICEF
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-20-07 at 00:02:53 PST   Listings
Peetah, I still think it must be 1864. I think we can agree it's unclear and could be interpreted as either 64 or 84. Then, since an 1884 usage would be extremely rare, maybe even impossible, the conclusion is IMHO that it must be 64. When in doubt, always assume the most common.

Also, the best comparison with an '8' sure must be the second digit which we know is an 8. To me, it looks like the 3rd digit has a wider "lower bowl" than the 2nd and thus can't be the same.

The skilling stamps were not in use from 1878 to 1887, but from 1888 a number of them came on the market again and were used bu philatelists until they finally became invalid for postage in 1908.

I do have some experience in 6's being misread as 8's and similar confusions, from my search for errors. In fact, there was such a case among the items I type in for the club auction. A letter with contents dated 1916 apparently was postmarked in '18. But when I looked closer, the assumed 8 *could* also be a smudgy 6, so I concluded it was a 6 that just happened to look like an 8. So, I won't bid on it.
Posted by 22028   ( 1547 ) on Jan-19-07 at 23:23:50 PST   Listings
David B, Thanks a lot...
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-19-07 at 23:00:59 PST   Listings
Paul, he is just covering himself as there has been articles about the material. He was Narued last year for making similar covers and covers with fake disinfection markings.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:59:19 PST   Listings
22028

Somaliland, all correct 23 Pounds, 35 Pounds & 70 Pounds if Script CA,

Natal s.g. 141 ( 70 Pounds) is correct but 143 has been pen cancelled a a fake cancel applied.

East Africa s.g. 28 if Script CA ( 55 Pounds)

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:43:00 PST   Listings
Gosh, David, that guy should be shot for making up covers like that!!!
actually, good that he forges so many different handstamps, makes it look so obviously fake!
Posted by 22028   ( 1547 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:41:06 PST   Listings
Good morning from Abu Dhabi.

The early British Commonwealth stamps were never my favorite subject. Would someone let me know if my assumption on the Stanley Gibbons catalogue numbers of following stamps are correct?
British Somaliland:
SG-No. 83 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/somaliland-2rupees.jpg
SG-No. 84 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/somaliland-3rupees.jpg
SG-No. 85 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/somaliland-5rupees.jpg

Natal
SG-No. 141 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/natal141.jpg
SG-No. 143 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/natal143.jpg

East Africa and Uganda Protectorate:
SG-No. 28 http://fuchs-online.com/auction/kut28.jpg

Any help is appreciated... and if the current SG-Value is also provided is even better.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:21:33 PST   Listings
DAVID B. ----I thought it was discussed here that the APS only had people to look at U.S. material ,but your saying they are looking at stuff from the Pacific Islands ?
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:13:00 PST   Listings
Here is another of his statements

" While someof the postnarks have been catalogued and written about others have not due to extreme rarity. In a recent article on the Pacific Islands the sugestion was made that some missent hand stamps may have ben applied in New caledonia and /or the Cook Island. In any event they are not catalogued and in terms of Ebay policy , guided by their APS they should be regarded as Instructional markings rather than Philatelic Handstamp.I would like to stresss the last sentence. "

David B.

ps. looks like there have been some unfavorable comments about his concoctions in the Philatelic press,

pps. as I had tidied up some of his typing mistakes it would have made it difficult for anyone to trace the seller, this should make it easier if you that way inclined.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7749 ) on Jan-19-07 at 22:08:07 PST   Listings
This is interesting, a seller adding on his home made handstamps to covers and then adding a postscript which states that they are not covered by the Ebay/APS policy.

" Since few of these hand stamps have been catalogued in terms of eBay policy guided by their APS experts the hand stamps should be regarded as instructional markings and not as philatelic handstamps even though they appear on numerous other freak envelopes sent from the late 70's to recent times. "

The same seller was Narued last year for selling " home made " items,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:52:22 PST   Listings
PEETAH----ME TOO
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:51:03 PST   Listings
stamps12345 I am not looking to "lose a few friends here over it", just seeking honest PHILATELIC discussions/opinions.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:38:18 PST   Listings
PEETAH----THANK YOU for that last posting ,it puts a smile on my face . Im sure your going to lose a few friends here over it .....lol.....thanks again ...some day you got to tell me who that expert is,he is in for a few free drinks from me or a dinner ......paul
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:34:03 PST   Listings
opps..yeah I missed that xxxxxxx.
yes, must admit its not a version I've come across yet!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3318 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:23:09 PST   Listings
I doctored the link (ling typo) to kill it, I get about 3 a week, this one was a new version.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:19:39 PST   Listings
Jeff I get those spoof emails all the time. With all the auctions/store items you have running Im amazed you dont get at least 2 or 3 a day.
Just forward to spoof@ebay.com and delete. Not a good idea to post the bogus link here in a chat room tho!
L.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3318 ) on Jan-19-07 at 21:07:11 PST   Listings
There will apparently never be an end to the scam attempts, just received this one (I doctored the ling to make it dead):

Dear eBay Community Member,

We regret to inform you that your eBay account has been suspended due to concerns we have for the safety and integrity of the eBay community.

"Abusing eBay" of the eBay User Agreement states, in part:

"...we may limit, suspend, or terminate our service and user accounts, prohibit access to our website, remove hosted content, and take technical and legal steps to keep users off the Site if we think that they are creating problems, possible legal liabilities, or acting inconsistently with the letter or spirit of our policies."

Due to the suspension of this account, please be advised you are prohibited from using eBay in any way. This includes the registering of a new account. To confirm that you are the righfull owner of the account please confirm your identity by signing in and resolving this dispute at:

https://signin.ebay.com/xxxxxxxxxxxxx.dll?SignIn&CaseID142Disupte#1562

Please note that any seller fees due to eBay will immediately become due and payable. eBay will charge any amounts you have not previously disputed to the billing method currently on file.


Regards,

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Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-19-07 at 20:15:25 PST   Listings
Norway 1864 or 1884 While the consensus of the year cancel seems to be 1864, I am of the opinion it is
(LINK to)1884 The reason I sought other opinions is the 2 emails I received, 1 from Norway another from Finland, each telling me it could not possibly be 1884.One said the canceller dissappeared long before 1884. The other that in 1884 Kroner and ore were being used and the use of Skilling stamps ended in 1877, further, that in 1884 there were 2 rings cancels.
Both had me thinking of a black comedian whose name I forget, so I cannot give proper attribution, who asked, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
The link above is the result of the work of someone who is very knowledgeable with the construction of fonts. Based on knowing his background,academic and professional, he should be regarded as expert with fonts. He will gladly yield to philatelic experts (or the 2 writers above) in matters of philately, but is still comfortable that the year date is 1884, not 1864. When I originally presented the question to him, I made a point of not giving him an opinion of what I thought the date was, specifically telling him I did not want to influence his perception. I had wrestled in my own mind as to whether it was 1864 or 1884 and had concluded it was 1884.He pops in here, preferring to remain in the balcony reading these posts and has seen nothing to persuade him to change his opinion the font he sees is an 8 and not a 6. Had I not received those 2 emails, I would not be making these posts, as the relative value of 1864 vs 1884 is not significant. I do wish the 1884 date (LOL) was much clearer though. It's nice to see the posts moving more towards philatelic debate or information.
Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-19-07 at 18:20:27 PST   Listings
iomoon - CYE
Roger
Posted by sneeky37   ( 232 ) on Jan-19-07 at 17:50:45 PST   Listings
Hi Iomoon
I'll give it a try ASAP, will let you know Jim if it works okay.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1189 ) on Jan-19-07 at 17:02:48 PST   Listings
In keeping with the "T" theme here’s Three line drawings of the embossed Tax stamps that King George imposed on the colonies from cancels on the Kokomo Club Cards:

card 17-12.

card 17-3.

card 17-2 .

Jim L.
Posted by sneeky37   ( 232 ) on Jan-19-07 at 16:04:26 PST   Listings
due2cents
A self photo in my younger days
Posted by sneeky37   ( 232 ) on Jan-19-07 at 15:59:06 PST   Listings
due2cents
Glad you like, hard to get a good self photo somtimes.
Posted by due2cents   ( 23 ) on Jan-19-07 at 15:50:25 PST   Listings
Love the photo Sneeky
Posted by sneeky37   ( 232 ) on Jan-19-07 at 15:33:01 PST   Listings
Knuden
Sure hope you brought the bananas, this
old geezer is in need of some food
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-19-07 at 15:11:51 PST   Listings
Knuden, and he's a smuggler too! :-) Congtrats on a good result!
Posted by knuden   ( 2186 ) on Jan-19-07 at 14:59:35 PST   Listings
Infla-alec - Good news. I'm always a bit nerveous when a, for me unknown, buyer bids high on one of my lots but as the vast majority of collectors are honest people, I almost never get disapointed. :O)

K.E 
Posted by infla-alec   ( 504 ) on Jan-19-07 at 14:48:16 PST   Listings
Knuden I know the buyer personally and can vouch for his honesty and integrity. Rainer has written an excellent book on the early Empire Rohrpost and is currently doing further research to cover the period up to late 1923. His English is terrible but give him my regards please.If there is any problem language wise feel free to contact me.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 504 ) on Jan-19-07 at 14:42:54 PST   Listings
Linda You and others who commented to me privately have convinced me to remain a regular. Apologies to all if I do occasionally go into a rant and rave. When the philatelic posts are flying everything here seems to run pretty smoothly.
Jake That is great news. Probably the best thing I've read here all week.You can either e-mail me a copy of the invoice or show it openly here for all to see.I don't need the original as donations aren't tax deductable so easily in the UK.
To keep things philatelic T is also for Teilbarfrankatur Simply translated as being part cash paid. This type of franking is quite scarce, especially as it is the first one I have ever seen from December 1923 and bearing inflation OPD Provisional stamps. I don't own it yet but you can be sure I will be trying very very hard. Just haven't figured out how to tell my wife yet :-)
The correct rate should have been 30 Rentenpfennigs, (Rpf) or 30 Milliarden Marks. The 10 Milliarden stamps were allowed to be used at an exchange rate of 10 Milliarden = 1 Rpf during the month of December. So 28 Rpf would have been paid in cash. After 1 Dec 1923 it was only the old Milliarden stamps that could be used to make a postal rate. The older currency had to be exchanged at the banks.
For the benefit of those that have forgotten or don't know the only Provisional stamps from Sep-Dec 1923 are those that were printed by regional printers with authorisation from the State Printers, (Reichsdruckerei) in Berlin.
Posted by knuden   ( 2186 ) on Jan-19-07 at 14:34:12 PST   Listings
This lot was better than I expected. :O)

K.E 
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:56:16 PST   Listings
T is for Tre Kronor ("Three Crowns"), which is pronounced with emphasis on Kro. It was a happy day when I was able to fill that page. Quite a few of these were printed in relatively low numbers, down to 1.4 million for the 1.75, and so can be hard to find. Note also many "unround" values.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:52:32 PST   Listings
IO, didn't notice the date,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1038 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:50:15 PST   Listings
Dan...Sneeky...Jake

I think I wrote the original on a MS 95, so it should work.
As long as you have the software.
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:43:38 PST   Listings
1covers To the contrary, you understand my post just fine. However, you are sorely mistaken regarding the resources that exist in the world to help the expertizer. Besides, what I buy (as easily found via eBay search) has nothing to do with my statement unless, of course, you feel the need to make it your business. I will discuss this no further.
Phil
Posted by sneeky37   ( 232 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:32:40 PST   Listings
A VERY GOOD DAY TO ALL !!!
infla-alec
Philatelic Supplies for Disabled Vets has been purchased, should be here bye the end of next week. Supplies were purchased by a fellow collector in Ottawa at a stamp show in Toronto with a rather large discount, sounds like we got more than our monies worth.Will post invoice when I receive it.
Also to help the cause received a forty two pound box of philatelic materials from Donavan Newman, TycoPhil's daughter. Guess it was all of Bill's supplies, or at least a very good portion of them.
Iomoon, there was even a CD disk of yours in the box, "Volcanos On Stamps", just not sure if it will run in my computer as I'm still running MS 95??

Many THANKS TO ALL who have helped by sending stamps and supplies for our disabled Veterans, it appreciated more than most of you will ever know.

Stamps12345
Paul even though IMHO you are still full of hot air and like to keep things riled up here now and than, can relate as one parent to another of those who serve in the military, the relief you feel of having your daughter out of the Middle East and headed home. It will be a GREAT DAY for all when all our troops are headed for home.
Best sticker I've seen on a letter lately was from a Retired Navy Captain , "Support our Troops, Bring Them Home"
Posted by iomoon   ( 1038 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:31:09 PST   Listings
D2

I don't think so.
Though I can't read the date on the London receiver, it could be Oct 20th.
Which would mean the letter sent to "Tom" in another envelope would have travelled 5 days after the receipt of that illustrated.

Tom I assume is Thomas Townsend and the last line is "write me in duplicate to Singapore & Calcutta". So I'm pretty sure it was written by Gustavus after its receipt.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:26:12 PST   Listings
IO,

possibly added by the sender after the letter had been sealed,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1038 ) on Jan-19-07 at 13:01:27 PST   Listings
It goes on -

"During Tuckerman's second trip to India, in 1859, the firm of Tuckerman, Townsend & Co. lost a great deal of money owing to adverse business conditions which virtually ruined the old India trade. On his return he decided to dissolve the firm rather than to continue on borrowed capital which was offered him at that time. He there­fore brought his family to New York City and accepted the position of treasurer of the Hazard Powder Company. His heart was ever true to the old business, however, and he always loved to remember the old days in the India trade, and the ships and captains of the square-riggers that his firm had owned and chartered."
Posted by iomoon   ( 1038 ) on Jan-19-07 at 12:52:33 PST   Listings
Yippee, first "week" of classes over!

T is for Gustavus Tuckerman Esq.
Who was staying at the Tavistock Hotel near Covent Garden.

Mailed from Birmingham on October 18th, 1858 with a penny red lettered OE and cancelled with a circular 75 duplex.

The reverse has a black "Five Ways RO" cancel and a red London receiving cancel.

The back of the letter is overwritten with a somewhat cryptic message (at least to me). The first line appears to be "I wrote Tom by steamer of 23 Oct from Liverpool"

Maybe this envelope was placed inside another envelope and mailed to someone else?

It goes on to state that a letter from (?)Norton might reach him in Calcutta.

Gustavus Tuckerman would appear to be the one listed in the Encyclopedia of American Wealth. One of the "Captains of Boston".

"The white flag with two letter T's and a blue border, flown by Tuckerman, Townsend & Co., was known in many ports of the world. but chiefly in Palermo, Singapore, Penang, Calcutta, and other Eastern ports. The head of this house was Gustavus Tuckerman, Jr., who was born in England in the year 1824. It had been intended that he should go to Harvard College as his elder brother John Francis Tuckerman had done, but owing to a change of plans he went into the office of Curtis and Greenough. He was sent by this firm in 1847 to Palermo, Sicily, as its representative to attend to the purchase and shipment of the cargoes, sending, as he deemed most profitable, cream of tartar, shellac, wine, fruit, licorice, paste, linseed, etc., etc., to Boston. He represented the firm a second time in 1849, passing another year at Palermo, and his letters of introduction at both times brought him in contact with many interesting people.

On his return he was made a partner in the firm of Curtis & Greenough and in 1851 married Emily Goddard Lamb, a daughter of Thomas Lamb, president of the New England National Bank of Boston. Alfred Greenough died about this time, and Tuckerman formed a partnership with Thomas D. Townsend, who was also in the firm of Curtis & Greenough, under the firm name of Tuckerman, Townsend & Co. In 1852 Tuckerman sailed for India to represent the new firm."
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-19-07 at 12:28:36 PST   Listings
Lindy and then there was the theft from Don Cox in Newcastle. The suspect was a member of the local club and knew Don would be at a meeting that day. The thief knew philately very well as Don mainly was into Postal History but had some rare stamps on cover. The remains of the covers were found in the park next to Don's house. The thief had dismembered the covers and torn only the rare stamps off the covers before leaving what he didn't want into a creek. The material was retrieved by a fellow member John F. (who ncidentally passed away late last year). It was a shame as there were many unique covers but Don continued on collecting.

There was another large theft also on the North Coast of NSW with a Police Officer as suspect. It was a large British Commonwealth collection and has never been sighted since although the material would not be recognised if it was broken up.

The collection you mentioned that was stolen in Canberra and would be eassily recognisable as the material doesn't come on the market very often and bells would ring if any of the better items were in an Auction Catalogue anywhere in the world,

David B.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1270 ) on Jan-19-07 at 12:25:45 PST   Listings
Phil (prochute) - I don't understand your post. You seem to be a buyer of mint British Commonwealth of the sort that does not need any expertization. Why the comment?

In the post you say that an expert group needs access to original sheets, covers and forgeries. Unfortunately, no expert in the world has access to such things on the rarities most often submitted. Nor is such access required. A collection of forgeries is not useful - a collection of genuine is.

It so happens that the largest reference collection of genuine in the world (as generally conceded) is the collection now owned by Brun in France. Having such a collection is still only a small part of the equation - knowing how to use it is actually more important. Brun is not as highly regarded as others in France despite having the reference.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-19-07 at 12:17:15 PST   Listings
David B. two nice Oil River Covers . thank heavens neither addressed to Putney! I see the seller will be in Sydney during the year for the Show. I met him years ago thru his Zanzibar interests. nice guy.

alec hope to see you post here today :o)

Mitchell there have been many large stamp thefts over the years, and some items have never re-surfaced. Here in Australia in the mid-1980s several wonderful collections were targeted, and stolen, some even with violence against the owners. One was a collection of Australian Postage Dues, at the time the basis of the definitive Book on the issues, and that collection was well documented and never found. v.sad

Linda
Posted by ed845   ( 4296 ) on Jan-19-07 at 12:06:06 PST   Listings
Mitch

Congratulations for the most imaginative use of a post it note I have seen for many a day.

Ed
Posted by sayasan   ( 545 ) on Jan-19-07 at 11:58:51 PST   Listings
alec - Now I've calmed down ... You're right, of course. Sorry for having pitched in.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-19-07 at 11:01:59 PST   Listings
Dragon Saphilatelics is correct. Your stamps are fine, I was just wondering if you saw the first post. I cannot recall ever seeing any fakes of that issue.
Soggy I've had the same thoughts about theft protection by having a scans of them. Your idea of software to search with sounds like it might be a great idea. Only problem is, that to my knowledge, there has never been a lot of stamp theft.

Margozim No not really, but thanks for asking <:~`). By the way, did you ever get a life?
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Jan-19-07 at 10:44:02 PST   Listings
MODERN Philatelic expertization & certs.

This is not an attack or insinuation towards anyone on the planet:

Only a service with vast resources and knowledge base can truly determine philatelic items correctly submitted for certificates. Said service must have access to original sheets, multiples, covers, forgeries, etc. in house, or a member of the committee must have access to same. Having one item or a few items in a collection will not an expert make.

For my money the PF, APEX, RPS, BPA and a few others who specialize in particular countries, have the vast resources and knowledge base to accurately and confidently issue certificates willingly accepted by the philatelic community.

Phil
Posted by oggilby   ( 1174 ) on Jan-19-07 at 10:32:36 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from a nearly cold (38 F), snowless Central Maryland, where my daughter has made it half way through 8th grade and still hasn't used one of her five imbedded snow days (or course it doesn't mean she'll get out any earlier in June).

An interesting discussion on the different banking policies, I've found that most banks are more than willing to take your your money, but when it comes to doing you favors (like cashing a $15.00 check written out to my daughter) all kinds of barriers arise. Then they give you mere pennies in exchange to use your money all year. No wonder Bonnie & Clyde robbed banks! What a racket!

Hi Brain!--Briguy, the name fits when it comes to Confederate material. BTW, Happy Birthday to Robert E. Lee!
Posted by soggy333   ( 54 ) on Jan-19-07 at 09:35:44 PST   Listings
Mitch
Why do you let Paul get you cranked up? Your sticky note had me laughing out loud in any case so maybe it was worth it.Why did you tell Dragon his Saxony were fakes? I knew you were joking, but he didn't. I think everyone posts with better intentions than it may seem but there is something about reading things on a computer screen that makes the words seem to mean something different at first glance.
Looking at your collection and many others in recent weeks has been making me wonder if stamp theft will become a thing of the past. With the computer image search capabilities of today, any stolen stamp offered for sale can be identified very quickly. One could pop their scan of their stolen stamp into their search software and then scan all images on ebay using the search bot.Of course I cannot say if this softwre is easily available or written for stamp collectors yet, but I'm sure it will be.
Posted by soggy333   ( 54 ) on Jan-19-07 at 08:56:12 PST   Listings
g.1
That web site you were given has the answer on those British air mail "essays" but it does not apply to yours. The imperforate in that sickly pink/mauve color is a modern fake.
Posted by soggy333   ( 54 ) on Jan-19-07 at 08:19:46 PST   Listings
Concerning politics in the stamp room or in clubs---that is NOT what nearly ruined our stamp club years ago. It was an evil diabolical old fart who caused near fist fights at nearly every meeting he attended. This guy knew the details of every stamp controversey since the beginning of philately--I mean the ones that have never been settled--like the Hawaii Grinnel's etc.Whether or not the Z grill is real etc. He would find out where each member stood on any philatelic argument and then maliciously argue the other side until someone popped a gasket.On top of that he ran a yellow pages ad and managed to scoop most of our dealer members on most estate collections at very low prices, so they were jealous of him too Under club bylaws a member who QUIT could not be reinstated without a unanimous vote of the Executive Board. One night a member called this guy a "stinking cheap Jew". He said he would resign if he didn't get an apology and so he had to resign. Every year for the next 20 he reapplied but was always "blackballed" by at least one member of the Exec Committee. He got even in the end when another member died and left in his will that this guy was to handle the stamps, and see to it that the club got the world wide collection at a "fair" price.That was a saga in itself, and we never got the stamps. In fact they went to parts unknown with the old farts estate.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-19-07 at 08:11:35 PST   Listings
Saphilatelics: Thanks. I like those stamps either way, though I'm a little happier if they are the real ones.
Posted by soggy333   ( 54 ) on Jan-19-07 at 08:02:32 PST   Listings
Was having a hard time with those star watermarks on the early Cuban stamps until a friend gave me some of his watermark fluid (computer coolant). At $500 a gallon I don't think we will all be buying it soon, but it beats everything in terms of toxicity. Some may call it Fluorinert (3M brand name).It is perfluorohexane (C6F14) which is used for low temperature heat transfer applications due to its boiling point of 56 °C. It doesn't have any smell.It still isn't better than one of those light machines. I had been using one of those solvents they sell for cleaning coins and stamps but it smelled bad which I take to mean I should not be brething it. That stuff "wet" the stamp TOO much so that the watermark would blend in with the paper so much you could not see it.On top of all that, I get to do my part to accelerate global warming which I enjoy because of the savings I will get on my heating bills!
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 398 ) on Jan-19-07 at 08:01:55 PST   Listings
dragonstamps,
I am pretty sure antonius-ra was joking, your Saxony are perfectly fine, I do not think I have ever seen a fake numeral cancel on this inexpensive set. And I do know what I am talking about (much like when it comes to Norway, stamps12345's comments from yesterday notwithstanding). If you want to verify my Saxony bona-fides, check my "me" page or my current auctions.
Cheers.
Posted by margozim   ( 4 ) on Jan-19-07 at 07:48:09 PST   Listings
wonder if antonius-ra has sobered up since last night
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 441 ) on Jan-19-07 at 07:36:56 PST   Listings
We finally had a cold day here in Massachusetts yesterday.
Snow in Texas? We haven't had ANY snow where I am. Unbelievable, I can't recall going this far into the winter without any days of snow.

Mitch: Oh.. I was hoping they were good. As fakes go, they look pretty good. If that makes any sense...
Posted by knuden   ( 2186 ) on Jan-19-07 at 07:20:05 PST   Listings
dcderoo - The handstamps are German transit handstamps applied at the airports. They reads: "Carried by Airmail - Air mail Post Office C2" and "Carried by Airmail - Post Office Nürnberg 2 Airfield"

K.E 
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:56:07 PST   Listings
BJORNMU and MITCH ---The 309 cancel is from TJOMO and the 123 is from HOLMESTRAND ,

about the quality as I said earlier those stamps were from a stockbook not in my collection .....paul

Posted by iomoon   ( 1038 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:45:54 PST   Listings
Good day all.

From a foggy west Texas with 8 inches of snow forecast for later.

T is for Tolima.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:44:38 PST   Listings
Paul, your HOMMELVIK cancel is somewhet uncommon and of good quality and the 25 ore is a "dificult" stamp, too bad the stamps itself is such low quality. Those are very often faded. This was most likely used on a letter to a relative who had emigrated to the US.

Antonius' #9 (8 skill) is cancelled (CHRISTIANIA) 1864, that's for sure. Just like Peetah's 24 skill. I will check when I get home where numbers 309 and 123 on his #2 and #3 are from.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1643 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:37:14 PST   Listings
Paul, I did not notice/read either article/advertisement.
I've used APEX twice to identify/authenticate two stamps.
The stamps I now buy that merit a certificate come with a certificate.
From your description it sounds like someone is trying to improve their marketing position. As much philatelic politicking as anything else.

And I can't go back and reread the items.
My Linn's get recycled almost as quickly as I read them.

Posted by horadam1   ( 432 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:34:36 PST   Listings
Bill S.: Nice looking cat there. One of the feral cats here at the house looks just like that - actually two of them. I can hardly tell them apart.

Bob in WA: Same with my divorce, and I got the cat (Fuzzy lasted 18 years... {:0( ...), she got the furniture, etc. I still think I came out ahead...

Posted by dcderoo   ( 1643 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:24:56 PST   Listings
Anything special about the handstamps on this cover?
What do they mean?

1930 Air Cover, India to Germany

Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 06:03:52 PST   Listings
BRIAN Sorry about the spelling of your name last night ,it was late
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:59:03 PST   Listings
THIS IS NOT A ANTI-APS POSTING DCDEROO ----What do you think about the Linn's ad about 2 weeks ago .The full page ad by that expertizing group looked like a direct attack on one of the APS foundations ---the expertizing service .It looked like a comparesion ad , to them{APS} and our services.

Then the following week {last week}there is a front page story about the group{same people who ran the ad} stating that pervious APS certifying was wrong to give a major number to a stamp .

Sounds like a frontal attack to the APS certification group ,whats you take or does someone see it different .....paul

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Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:43:43 PST   Listings
LUXMARK Thanks for that timely infomation about the APS ,its good to see we have current philatelic information posted on this chat room and its not all dogs and cats stuff .Ken Martin is a great guy to know and been a friend for many years .....paul
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1643 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:37:37 PST   Listings
Any collectors of modern Sri Lanka?
You have something special to look for.
This is according to Linn's Styamp News, January 22, 2007, page 45.

Apparently Sri Lanka had a stamp shortage during the high-use Christmas season.
To quote a quote in the Linn's article (any typos will be mine):

"To avoid the inconvenience that can be caused due to shortage of postal stamps during the festive season, the relevant stamp fee printed on on letters and greeting cards of any value is applied at any post office island-wide."

They are called "provisional markings" without being more specific.

Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:36:00 PST   Listings
HUTCH Thanks for clearify that debit card are overextended in the U.S. by the user .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:31:30 PST   Listings
BJORNMU Think your right about the cancelations ,Different styles were in use at the same time and your statement about different types were used in the same city .....Looking at Mitch's scan and my own album {the scans ,I posted were from a duplicates stockbook} the cancelations are of different types in the same time period .Thanks for your input .....paul.....

just goes to show even damaged stamps with clear cancels should be saved.

Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:27:26 PST   Listings
antonius-ra Just looked at your page of Norway. Impressive. What do you think the year date is on your 8 Skill Scott9(?)
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1185 ) on Jan-19-07 at 05:10:09 PST   Listings
Greetings

Away from home, but wishing you all a Good Morning! from Indiana.

Jim L.
Posted by luxmark   ( 332 ) on Jan-19-07 at 04:57:44 PST   Listings
Yesterday I saw some comment about the American Philatelic Society regarding payment options. I sent a note to APS asking about what they could do. Ken Martin sent me a note saying " Thanks for forwarding the comments from the eBay chat. For your
information we had a conference call this morning with the developers of our
new website specifically on the requirements for incorporating the ability to
handle Paypal transactions. Initially, I anticipate that Paypal payment will
only be available for items listed on eBay through the new service that we
will offer for members who wish to sell on eBay. However, if that works
smoothly, it is possible that we will begin accepting Paypal for membership or
other payments." So it hasn't happened yet, and it sounds like it is an incremental approach, but perhaps we will see some action.

Luxmark APS #66851 (in the balcony)
Posted by cwhutch   ( 614 ) on Jan-19-07 at 04:53:35 PST   Listings
Good morning.

Banking- At my bank my debit card will go way over the amount in the account if you use it as a credit card and just sign, But if you use the pin number it won't.I can also pay all my bills free online. My last order of checks was 5 years ago and I still have plenty. I only write them to ebay sellers who don't take Paypal everyone else is payed by debit card or online payment.

Its been a great last few days - I've been fishing in Fourchon,La and everyday inspite of high winds 30-40 degree temps and rain me and my buddy limited out (25 trout and 5 redfish each)both days. Nothing like a freezer full of fish.

Hutch
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:56:20 PST   Listings
I noticed this was listed yesterday, doubt it will sell at the price,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Niger-Coast-1894-Old-Calabar-REG-England-Franked-SG-3_W0QQitemZ200070371057QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3514QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't need it as I have a similar one,

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/deebee444/ncp.jpg

David B.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:52:42 PST   Listings
Paul Wrong again! I take my collection quite serious. I also take my reputation serious. I do not
take you serious except when you call me a liar on an international chat board (which you have done many times over the years).
I am not your friend and I would never want to be. What saddens me is that I must assume that you are actually a member of the human race...................
Can't seem to find a warm fuzzy feeling of hope there (for the race).
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:37:21 PST   Listings
Paul Would you like my dads phone number so you can ask him who's stamps they are? I'll cal you right up and give it to you.
Let me repeat this so your "total bonehead" perhaps might be penetrated. I share the British commenwealth collection with my father, that's it!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:31:56 PST   Listings
BRAIN -Were just pulling each others chain ,no harm done ....
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:30:33 PST   Listings
bri oh, well in that case thanks, and someone let Webster know we re-wrote it


Curmudgeon =
a never crusty, seldom ill-tempered, and usually not so old person!!!

hee heee

Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:26:54 PST   Listings
Mitch --Thanks ,it is a nice Norway collection ,your dad has ,will try to post my first page from my album .Got your post note... funny
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:26:24 PST   Listings
Brian Excuse me, but Paul is calling me a liar once again. Perhaps you are right and it is stupid for me to even respond to a neanderthal thug.
Sorry, somehow I can't help myself?!?
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:23:10 PST   Listings
If I can squeeze in here between posts of the LATEST stupid flame war....

Linda You take the sentiment wrong! Here on the EBay stamp chat the curmudgeon badge is one of HONOR. I don't know who started it (before my era), but it means good things. Ask Io or G1 or one of the "older" past potentates of the eUSC.

It was ment well. :o)
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-19-07 at 00:10:28 PST   Listings
What are you talking about Paul, you have such a knack of getting everything wrong.
Dana shared some British Colonies stamps along with Rich D..
My father and I share that collection and it resides with him so it is not handy to scan.
Just for you, here is the first page from MY Norway collection. I'm sure you will find it the same as on my site except for the little timely
post it.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:57:44 PST   Listings
MITCH ----I don't delete post,your the one who told us they were part Dana's and the other guys stamp collection ,it was posted on your opening pages years ago .Now that you deleted their names your mad at me ?????....what for i thought we were friends .....paul
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:57:38 PST   Listings
Paul I am waiting....... Book in hand scanner fired up............Put up or shut up,. now............I'm not going to stay up all night while you figure out if you've made a fool of yourself or not.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:51:20 PST   Listings
Paul, I didn't say the single ring wasn't used later, I said the two-ringed started appearing in 1878. They didn't replace all at once. BTW I'm not 100% sure of that year and really don't have the time now.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:50:08 PST   Listings
Paul Two collectors? You are so full of crap.
Do you need some blow-ups of a certain stamp or page???
I can even put a little note on each one like "Paul sucks" so you will know it's current. Go ahead and report this post so you will not have to answer for that insult!
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:45:52 PST   Listings
Dragon I was just kidding, all of those Saxony stamps are bogus.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:45:46 PST   Listings
MITCH ----Go thru the scans of the two collectors that you keep showing as your collection ,they should have the early material of Norway ,that would help ...paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:41:56 PST   Listings
BJORNMU------No the single ring goes into the 1880's ......you can open the link now ,i made a error on the keyboard .....Please take another look at this the 1880 date cancel on a single ring ....off to bed ...got to wake up early to work on stamps....paul
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:41:27 PST   Listings
Oh this should be fun...
Bjorn My crystalball tells me you are about to recieve a lesson in Norwegian philately.
I can hardly wait...........................
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:38:50 PST   Listings
Paul, your scan works now. Your first stamp is cancelled THRONDHJEM (type 3a, used from 1858), and is of course badly damaged by scissors. The last is GRIMSTAD. The font and size of letters and numbers vary according to when the device was issued to that post office, so different types were used at the same time. Some of the larger cities would have several different ones. For example, THRONDHJEM also had one with big letters like your BERGEN example but spelled TRONDHJEM, both these were issued in 1848.

Now off to work...
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:28:52 PST   Listings
Paul, there's something wrong with your JPG, I can't open it.

Anyway, there were many different types of these cancels, and CHRISTIANIA had around 10 different, so sizes vary. But the basic design, with just one ring, was the one used from 1848 to about 1878 when the first two-ring cancels arrived.

After the currency change, 3sk and 6sk posthorn remained in use until they were used up, as equivalent of 10 or 20 øre. Most of the remaining stock was traded to a priviate individual who then resold them to dealers and collectors. They were often used on philatelic mail until 1908.

Some were operprinted as late as 1929 ("14 øre 14 on 2 skill 2"), 60 years after the stamps were printed!
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:17:53 PST   Listings
bjorn, there must have been some remainders sold at a later date or the mint price would be much higher, do you know the history about the balance of the stock after the change in currency. I know that the balance of the 1867 1k. was used in 1905 to create a 1k.50,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:17:37 PST   Listings
BJORNMU------The year date stamped on that stamp should be smaller and of a different type ,the large 18 of 1864 makes it questionable,that was used in later years ,thats why its questionable NORWAY EARLY ......do you have a sample of the large 1860's cancel ,the first stamp i show is a 1864 cancel the second is 1867 and the last is 1863 all smaller than the large date Peetah showed
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:03:27 PST   Listings
How on earth did that happen: "naed" should read "used".
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 23:02:44 PST   Listings
D2, uaed copies aren't that rare, so cancels with identifiable names or dates are generally accepted as good. Norgeskatalogen doesn't mention this as a problem.

Back-dated (and in some cases, fake) cancels are a big problem on some of the difficult WWII issues, but that's a different story.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:51:45 PST   Listings
Bjorn, just to verify my original remark that itr should be checked, this is what my comment was before it gets misconstrued (as usual),

" looks like 1864 but as the stamp is much scarcer used than mint I would be worried if the cancel is genuine or not as it looks too good to be true ",

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:49:40 PST   Listings
bjorn, thanks, I have never seen a Norwegian cancel of that period as light as that which made me worry about it being OK. Of course most fake cancels are never SON but applied in the corner,

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:42:53 PST   Listings
Close the bold, close the bold! I need more coffee..
Posted by bjornmu   ( 861 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:42:28 PST   Listings
Peetah, that stamp is perfectly fine, and it's not "too good to be true". It is definitely 1864 as the cancel wasn't in use as late as 1884. Besides, usage of those stamps between 1877 and 1888 are almost non-existent. I have never heard of any fake CHRISTIANIA cancels of this type. Rare cancels have been faked, but this is extremely common.

Two-ringed date cancels, as opposed to this one-ring type, will indicate usage after 1888. But some one-ring cancels were still in use at that time. Paul, you are completely wrong about the cancel types, this was the type in use in the 1860's.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:38:10 PST   Listings
Paul, but you also made a definite statement which I didn't as I haven't got the references to verify it,

" the cancel was not the type of cancel used in Norway in the 1860's more like the type used in the 1880's and beyond ",

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:25:29 PST   Listings
Davey, --I said questionable -----Thats not a definite statement .In Chicagoesse that means maybe its ok and maybe its not
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:23:29 PST   Listings
Roger, I couldn't believe my eyes, the seller listed it under British Commonwealth, didn't even mention Switzerland in the title, just SWISS, it was just your multitude of searches that picked it up and many ardent Swiss destination collectors (and bargainn hunters) would have easily missed it,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:12:13 PST   Listings
Pul, I didn't make a definite statement it is a fake cancel, I stated that it should be checked as it looked too good to be true. The best method is to compare known genuine contemporary cancels and compare the lettering especially the serifs.

David B.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 398 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:06:38 PST   Listings
stamps12345,
I am sure a Norway expert will come along and set us all straight sooner or later :)
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Jan-18-07 at 22:02:48 PST   Listings
bri no waaaay!
Curmudgeon =
a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man

THANKS for the 'one of us now' but I'll pass on the crusty, very seldom ill-tempered, and def not a man...
old? well older than some here but def. younger than others. (unfortunately not quite as young as on my current me page photo! opps!!)
16Oct48 actually!!

sorry about the banking War!.. it was Bill Cobb's comments on the new sellers paypal requirements from the ANNOUNCEMENTS Page that started it. I'll have to learn to be more careful.

wrd3 Bill, sorry I'm not much of a philatelist, (cover is from hubby's collection) so I dont know the ins and outs of how the Postage Due was calculated between foreign countries. On the cover I posted, it was obviously refused in France because there was 20centimes to pay, and then sent back to London, where the Foreign Branch of the UK Post Office charged the sender the postage cost from France to England!
Maybe someone here with better knowledge of POSTAGE DUE / TAXED markings can answer your questions.
here it is again
1919 advertising cover to France,

Linda
Posted by stamps12345   ( 222 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:58:29 PST   Listings
PEETAH-----Sorry ,i have to agree with David B. ,the cancel is questionable .My point of view is that ---the cancel was not the type of cancel used in Norway in the 1860's more like the type used in the 1880's and beyond .
Posted by rclwa   ( 947 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:57:39 PST   Listings
When my wife and I parted company in 1980 I received custody of all our ''kids''--a dog and three cats! I must have done something right, because they lived a combined total of 64 years!

Bob in WA
Posted by malolo   ( 835 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:55:45 PST   Listings
Trinidad

This card to Trinidad from Switzerland in 1882 must be unique as Trinidad is not listed as a Caribbean destination in my reference book even though St Thomas and Jamaica are listed as having a unique examples of a Sitting Helvetia post-UPU (1875-1882). It seems Puerto Rico and Cuba have 2 known examples.

The fun of postal history is discovering information about the recipient. In this case Robert (the father and recipient of this card) Guppy was a Barrister, Magistrate, Mayor of San Fernando, Member of the Legislative Assembly, and civil engineer in San Fernando. One of his sons, ROBERT JOHN "LECHMERE" GUPPY was the discoverer and describer of the guppy fish found in Trinidad. The stories of young Robert’s trip to Trinidad interrupted by a two year shipwreck in New Zealand and stay with Maoris is worth reading here. Not a boring life by any standards.

The writing on the card
confirms receipt of £25 in Switzerland, and acknowledges Francis (a child of LECHMERE, and grandson of Robert) is ”going very well and is always in good health”. At this point I can only assume the grandfather sent money to a caretaker of the grandchild. If you read the family histories you will discover the children were born in different locations, but seem to have been sent back to Europe for their educations and “formative years”.

BTW - The SNIPE required somewhat of a guess, but sniping high at the end stopped anyone from chasing my bid. This auction started at $9.99, with the lowest of three bids being $50. I know the underbidder always places high early bids, so when his name appears as the bidder in any auction, I know I won't get off cheap, but I stand a chance if I place a high fair bid. I honestly think he would win more auctions if he sniped, but I'm glad he never snipes!

Roger
Posted by peetah   ( 457 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:44:52 PST   Listings
Thanks saphilatelics That's 2 for 1864.
Posted by billsey   ( 840 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:28:40 PST   Listings
Well as long as we're into cats, this is Taj, settling into her new home in The Dalles.
Posted by g.1   ( 1063 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:22:16 PST   Listings
Thanks, Bill. I have that Gibbons book -- didn't think to check it.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 398 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:20:26 PST   Listings
peetah,
I see no problem whatsoever with that Norway stamp, looks like a perfectly authentic, albeit weakly struck, CHRISTIANIA cancel to me, my vote's for 1864 as well, but even if it were 1884 it would not reduce the value, it is 1888-1908 dates that reduce the value, to my knowledge anyway. And I certainly wouldn't call this stamp particularly scarce, ok, so it's more than a nickel, but they are still quite common, even with the early dates.
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:12:52 PST   Listings
g.1 here's a web page with some info (Question 382). I know nothing of the items, so can't vouch for the info.

Bill D.
Posted by g.1   ( 1063 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:01:49 PST   Listings
Oh, no! They're discussing banking? Eeek!
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 21:00:24 PST   Listings
Here are a couple of sites, anyone with a few hours to spare,

http://www.creditmart.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=108

https://www.citibank.com.au/AUGCB/apfa/augcb/ocmff/LandingPage.do?sourceCode=LCG9N6YR6AAYAAZA

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 20:57:11 PST   Listings
Sorry to bring up the banking dispute but there was a comment that I saw that I would like clarified. Here Debit Cards are used the same as Credit Cards but draw on a credit in the account and cannot get overdrawn. it is my understanding that if a request for a figure higher than the amount in credit is applied for then it is declined and there is no charge. I think there is a yearly charge and will check the various banks details,

David B.
Posted by g.1   ( 1063 ) on Jan-18-07 at 20:57:08 PST   Listings
I know I've seen These British airmail things described somewhere, but I can't remember what they are or find a reference to them. Anyone?
Posted by dbenson   ( 7747 ) on Jan-18-07 at 20:53:05 PST   Listings
Peetah, looks like 1864 but as the stamp is much scarcer used than mint I would be worried if the cancel is genuine or not as it looks too good to be true.

David B.
Posted by horadam1   ( 432 ) on Jan-18-07 at 20:52:54 PST   Listings
djs, still wishing you good luck with the job opportunities! Hope you land one that is good.
Posted by horadam1   ( 432 ) on Jan-18-07 at 20:51:26 PST   Listings
Io-Jim: Thanks for that website, the links just go on and on, with all of the info I need. Thanks again.

Gawg: Great pictures, especially the "cat in the shower", and the rabbit/cat pairs. How can anyone not love cats (unless they have horrific allergies to them, then I understand)?

Jim (jaywild) and Matthew - I'm working on it, sounds like I need to get my a-- in gear though, as the kitten female is already 4 months old. I thought I had til at least 8 months, and could not worry during the winter. Neither correct, it seems.

Dragonstamps, any cat who can sit on a cactus, and not get up immediately is one I do not want to mess with.....

Pos