eBay chatboard archive: Jan-29-07 to Feb-04-07 week

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Feb-04-07 at 23:54:13 PST   Listings
Johnny D. Welcome back! I knew you could not resist coming back to chat with us.
How old was your great grandfather when he started this incredible accumulation? What was his name?
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 615 ) on Feb-04-07 at 23:46:32 PST   Listings
Roly Spot-on, chipg was clearly the winner, in my book, for his gorgeous early British initial items,(drool). Unbelievable, even if your initials were not C.G., that showing would be a crown jewel in anyones collection.

Alec, et al Been thinking about what might work best for the next weekly topic. I think going thru the alphabet again but with a topical/name theme. People, places, plants, animals, buildings etc etc. Not specific countries but the theme names of the stamps, A-Z.

P.S. I think there should be an overall winner for the last A-Z showings. Off hand, I'm thinking it would be hard to beat Jaywilds birth date covers or those of chipg, at least for items that have never been showed here before.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7808 ) on Feb-04-07 at 23:20:27 PST   Listings
Jonathan,

just read your long treatise on the fake fumigation markings and noticed that you state,

" THE BUTLER DID IT "

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 7808 ) on Feb-04-07 at 23:19:08 PST   Listings
Jonathandean,

a good example to show, a nice contrived cover with genuine markings which you state are uncatalogued. Of course they are uncatalogued but I am sure that they would be listed in a specialised article on the subject. At least they haven't had the usual additions of " damaged by sea water " or " damaged by snow plow " or whatever to enhance them,. I hope you will find a buyer for it but at that price I doubt it very much,

p.s. what was your Ebay name when you listed the fake fumigation markings,

David B.
Posted by jonathandean8   ( 570 ) on Feb-04-07 at 22:34:17 PST   Listings
dbenson Disinfected Mail Article
Night after night the same people log on to this chat board, don't you have anything better to do with yourselves.
The Disinfeced Mail Article appeared over 3 years ago.
The Royal Mail per K.F. Meyer's "Disinfected Mail", the series of articles he wrote for the APS in the 1950's and Han. T. Sien's book, "Men , Microbes and Medical Microbiologists" never conducted a prologed fumigation campaign for mail from areas affected by the diseases of the time small pox,cholera etc. The few handstamps were all spelt incorrectly a reflection of the level of education of the "medicine men" who sold the aristocrats the fumigation stove under the fallacy and fear that such diseases could be bourne by postal items. These hand stamps were not philatelic but private hand stamps. The obvious is staring you in the face. If you look at the smalls of early 19th century newspapers you will find dozens of "alternative" medicines,"solutions" for mail from disease inflicted areas and adverts for these contraptions. Since their customer base was the rich and the upper class aristocracy and MPs, where basically "the rich", the least they could offer was a hand stamp made by a high quality craftsman who was probably barely literate and simply copied what he was asked to make. A good example how blind philatelists are to the obvious. The Auxiliary Stamp Society estimates there could be as many as 400,000 US to 600,000 uncatalogued philatelic hand stamps (there are 40,000 active post offices today from a high of 80,000 in the US and as there newsletter indicates they make their own auxiliary handstamps as they are required) , world wide millions and millions of uncatalogued hand stamps. But in the above article these clearly were private hand stamps probably applied by the Butler who delivered the mail to the Master of the House.
Lot 150088817756 is a good example of six uncatalogued Dominica Hand Stamps and one Israeli uncatalogued hand stamp. Ebay referred to us to the APS, who have a group who advise eBay on philatelic issues per eBay , the APS staff and elected officers had no knowledge of this APS Group but referred us to 30 to 40 major stamp dealers around the world , many of who had sold by private treaty collections to us. The consensus was overwhelmingly to call uncatalogued hand stamps "*instructional markings* and not philatelic hand stamps". Unfortunately I will be offline for 72 hours so will miss the fun of your yuppie replies if I log on again ever. Seriously though "uncatalogued hand stamps" is an issue for buyer and seller alike and should be tackled seriously.The Ebay Chat Board is unfortunately a very limited chat board with a dozen or so regulars, but nevertheless a mixture of well informed buyers and sellers.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 295 ) on Feb-04-07 at 22:03:09 PST   Listings
thanks paper history...yeah i figured that the one with the cancel is the only real one... i've gonna keep my distance from confederates from now on. lol
Posted by billsey   ( 840 ) on Feb-04-07 at 21:46:05 PST   Listings
Thanks Bill, I've updated the U and V segments of our A-Z web page.
Posted by malolo   ( 836 ) on Feb-04-07 at 21:33:06 PST   Listings
Here’s my contribution to letter “W”.

An 1873 letter from Switzerland to Reverend William Hayes Ward of New York City. The Reverend Ward joined the staff of the “Independent” in 1868 and later was promoted to Editor in Chief from 1893- 1913. It is always interesting to discover information about the addressee on 19th century covers.

The rate on the cover, as far as I can determine is 5 centimes overpaid.

Roger
Posted by csdoctor   ( 184 ) on Feb-04-07 at 21:29:33 PST   Listings
hello.
Posted by malolo   ( 836 ) on Feb-04-07 at 20:25:26 PST   Listings
Pro -
Razors are pretty scarce, but it doesn’t surprise me that there are none in 4500 cards. The devices were only used in the 12 major post offices, no small towns, no villages, nowhere except these District Post Offices. It seems only Aarau used its device exclusively on all outgoing mail during the test period, except of course when it was in the shop for repairs.

Saturday I won a lot in Switzerland that was described as 90 covers of razor cancels. My friend there saw the albums and at the end of the pages was an 1889 cover of the deCoppet precursor along with a 1973 note stating only 3 known on cover. I ‘m certain more have been found of this device on cover, but that will be worth every dollar I spent on the lot, making all the other 89 free. )’>) I have seen no scans of the collection but it should be interesting to view when it arrives.

Roger
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Feb-04-07 at 20:23:39 PST   Listings
last week I was going to add V is for VICTORIA the State I have called home for these last 26 years... must have forgotten I did the scan, and its such a nice machine cancel too! never mind, better late than never.
And I have a new W too.... maybe post it tomorrow.

Victoria .. a week late!

Linda
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1212 ) on Feb-04-07 at 20:06:21 PST   Listings

due2cents
Thanks for relaying that kind remarks are being made. I’d guess you were somewhere near Indiana when you heard them.


Roly (rolyrj)
I’ve not counted them, but I’d guess I’ve around 500 different, plus a few of the letters used in the first years of the club. They are in four bulging binders. I’ve a very few holes in my personal collection and have gotten scans from one of the best collections that was in Kokomo before the owner died and his material was scattered. I’ve recently had a line on getting his primary collection of Kokomo Club Cards, but that’s not all worked out as yet. So far I think the upcoming “X” may be the only letter I don’t have a strong connection from at least one of the club cards. I’ll be looking through them again soon for finishing up the “W” week, so, who knows I may be able to come up with a connection.
Building the Kokomo club card collection has given me a mess of duplicates, but I’ve yet to decide just how & when I want to deal with them.

RE: Tonight’s football game
Again I was more impressed by the character of the coaches and the players (with very few exceptions) on both teams, especially in their remarks about the relationships built among the team after the game.


In keeping with the "W" theme here’s a 71 style Bureau precancel used in Warsaw, Indiana byt the Crippled Children fund click here.

Jim L.
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:38:31 PST   Listings
billsey I have both the U week and the V week entries. Relative to the "U" week ... you'll have to figure out which of rolyrj's entries to post (or perhaps all of them).

rolyrj I think you meant to refer to the "V" week in your post announcing the winner. : - )

I was glad to see Manning win, but the game was (in my opinion) not well played. Of course all the rain probably had something to do with that .....

Bill D.
Posted by djs127   ( 569 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:28:54 PST   Listings
My US revenue collection just finished and went for $28 which is more than I paid for the original one. Guess it shows US revenues are popular on Ebay.

After many errands this morning was able to finish putting used Swedish stamps into my international albums from a collection i bought on Ebay a while ago. Colts Bears game was fun watching --- my youngest son had wanted the Bears to win so he was disappointed. I had thought the Colts were the better team after I saw they beat New England (who beat the Jets).
David Snyder
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:21:24 PST   Listings
Good game.

Chicago lost.

Better team won when it was necessary.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:19:20 PST   Listings
billsey I have a full capture of the letter "V" if you require it.
Posted by billsey   ( 840 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:11:15 PST   Listings
Roly, thanks for the remarks, though my Upper Volta is far from remarkable. :-)

I just realized that I didn't put the U winner on on the web page! Bill D, do you still have a capture? I missed a good portion of that week by being out of computer range. :-(
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:05:53 PST   Listings
W is for Warren, Wellton, Wenden, Whipple, Wickenburg, Wikieup, Willcox, Williams, Window Rock, Winkelman and Winslow Arizona.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:01:46 PST   Listings
Knuden… Wremarkable Wrappers!!

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:57:46 PST   Listings
Thank you for the nice compliment David.
Posted by bilbo   ( 306 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:37:52 PST   Listings
IO,

Thanks loads!

Sorry I wasn't back sooner, but I've been busy.

y'all have a great evening!

bilbo
Posted by slugovonpoohbah   ( 0 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:36:13 PST   Listings
MVP for the Colts Rex Grossman
Posted by dbenson   ( 7808 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:31:26 PST   Listings
roly, well done, you'll make a good judge, picked the best one and gave all the others a critique,

ps. you almost beat us last night,

David B.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:13:27 PST   Listings
Results for week "U"
First the disclaimer :) I am in no way setting my self up as an expert and wouldn't have the first clue as to how to judge an exhibit. So my choice for week "U" is simply based on what I liked and what I really liked and what I really really liked.
I counted 51 entries this week which is a real good showing. It facinates me as to what we all collect and our various areas of "expertise", if I can use that word.

So.... right out of the blocks at full steam was a most impressive showing from Antonius-ra with Vietnam (South) followed closely by Venezuela and a great showing of Venezia aka Venice.

Then I was most impressed by Sayasan's Victory series. (where do you unearth all this type of material !!)

Then along comes David B. and hits the emotional strings with superb material from Vavau. But IO is hard in there as well with his lovely pages on Viti Levu. But Sheryll (S2) also hops onto the emotional band wago and presents Vanuatu. Much too much for this boy who loves the Pacific and has spent many months in each of these glorious locations.

However, moving on I was most impressed with Postalhysteria's thinking outside the box with Jules Verne, Voice of America, Volleyball etc. Kind of appealed to my sense of quirkiness :)

Jim L. How many Kokomo Club Cards do you have? :)

bilsey Runner up mate..... You have a great series of Upper Volta and very nicely displayed. I can appreciate the work that goes into presenting this sort of material in web page form having just done (still doing) my Penny Universal's pages.

And so the winner for week "U".
So many people went "wow" when this very short posting was made. I am sure many people appreciated this showing from chipg on Feb 01 -07, 06:19:47 for his magnificent display of his intitials "CG" on Victoria's.
I can appreciate the sheer hard work in collecting these specimens and then presenting them so well. So congratulations from me....... hope all approve :-O

Cheers

Roly
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1971 ) on Feb-04-07 at 17:57:07 PST   Listings
vinny: the only one that has any chance is the used one in the lower left of your second scan. The others are all fakes or fantasies. (and the one with Washington is a fake of the New York postmasters' provisional, not a confederate).

pro: look forward to hearing about it. thanks! I have a ton of stuff that I need to get through, sort, arrange, mount, etc. Can't stop buying in order to do all of that.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Feb-04-07 at 16:31:59 PST   Listings
W is for Western Hungary listed in Michel.
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Posted by due2cents   ( 24 ) on Feb-04-07 at 15:10:38 PST   Listings
K.E. as always great things you share thanks.

Matt Not really on the Doanes I have 800 or so EKU LKU and 26 New ones Where i was once Very interested in these I now just get them to get them.
One day I will have one of Each.
The Ohio I got I Must share with you because I promised a Nice Little Olde Guy from Ohio I would share it with that young att from Cleveland ( he could not remember your name but had the ohio postal history connection) and let me have the card I noticed on top of his 25 cent cards he was buying for the Ohio views. When I told him why I was interested he tried to remember you But I made the connection and he said take it But share the info with you. I will in the AM. (did not get his name sorry)
BTW i picked up one of those 23 teeth ones today.
Looked at 800 of those Dealer thought me crazy counting the points like a crazy man, did pick up 8 more Wesson TOB cancels.

Jim L I overheard a part of a discussion as I was looking thru some cards at a show heard some nice things said about you.

NOIP because I got a few thousand more cards this weekend must go back to playing with my collection.

Got a bunch of nice Perfins on cards this time out
and a big batch of German Inflation uses to America.
Roger I ran into over 4500 used Swiss cards Not one Razor ;-(


Posted by vinnysf   ( 295 ) on Feb-04-07 at 14:58:02 PST   Listings
and also these confederates. are any of them real?
Posted by vinnysf   ( 295 ) on Feb-04-07 at 14:46:46 PST   Listings
i got some suspicious confederates and would anyone be able to help me outare any of these are real?
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 238 ) on Feb-04-07 at 14:35:07 PST   Listings
NOIP

I used to collect Germany empire some time ago, but left and sold it to move on other areas.

Probably my favourite series was the 1933 nothilfe (for the W letter, this is also known as the Wagner issue).

I always had in mind to start a postal history collection of the issue, but never decided to start until I saw this cover. I don't know if the price is right but it looks great.

Can anyone help me with the rate? there is 180 pf in stamps and 395 pf in a meter mark for a total of 575 pf.

does anybody have the german rates for the 1933-1934 period?
thanks!
Posted by dbenson   ( 7808 ) on Feb-04-07 at 14:31:15 PST   Listings
knud, some nice items, the one's I admire most are the Gabon & of course the French with the DECEDE handstamp, looks like the beginning of a nice one frame exhibit,

David B.
Posted by knuden   ( 2198 ) on Feb-04-07 at 14:03:16 PST   Listings
W is for wrapper with original contents

As a very small left hand collection, I collect wrappers with original contents. These are rather unusual but can be found.

Here is what I have found so far:

1. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1916 (Declaration of guarantee on sale of footwear)
2. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1927 (Newspaper)
3. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1938 (Poster about draw of bonds)
4. Wrapper from Austria 1909 (Newspaper)
5. Wrapper from Belgium 1965 (Newspaper)
6. Wrapper from France 1893 - back with seal and many interesting cancels (Official letter)
7. Wrapper from France 1909 (Religious writing)
8. Wrapper from Gabon 1891 (Philatelic printed letter).

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1212 ) on Feb-04-07 at 13:40:46 PST   Listings
FWIW: Whe I tried the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector I found it working best on stamps that showed their watermark when held up to a light (ie Irish). I did not find it that helpful on hard to see watermarks (ieyellow Washington/Franklins). I’ve had my best luck with the Washington/Franklins holding them up to direct sunlight through a southern window. For a while I had a cardboard piece where I’d cut out a hole just under the size of the stamp to I could avoid looking directly at the sun. I used a cut out from a showguard mount to hold the alignment of the stamp to the opening. I’d cut off the back down to just above the weld so it would hold the stamp and block minimal sunlight. Once in a while I needed to invert the stamp for a second look. It’s gotten lost in moving, but it’s not that hard to create one when needed.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Feb-04-07 at 13:30:52 PST   Listings
JayJim Wimbledon Common and Putney Heath on left, Wimbledon Camp was near the Queens Mere (marked) and the All England Lawn Tennis Club is on the right..:o)

Map for our American Friends

Linda (off to work now, its 8.30am!)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 13:26:09 PST   Listings
Another one.

W is for William Wordsworth.

Someone who knew how to write in coherent English.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Feb-04-07 at 13:13:18 PST   Listings
Jay! they are not on the COMMON!! they are in Wimbledon propper.. down the high street.. It is acutally a beautiful and expensive suburb of London. the houses that are in the streets facing the Common are multi-million pound homes, I love walking around that area, and the pubs!!! loads of them all with lovely english beer, and outside drinking areas. You stroll around for 1/2 an hour, have a beer.. stroll a little further... another pub another beer. Quite a nice way to spend a summers day in Wimbledon
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 13:04:28 PST   Listings
Lindy… Where are the tennis courts??

J

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:59:40 PST   Listings
Bilbo

Chinese catalog indicates sheets of 20 (4 x 5) and perf 12.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 312 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:48:51 PST   Listings
W is for WIMBLEDON Camp on Wimbledon Common / Putney Heath, London. A temporary post office was established for 2 weeks in July each year during the National Rifle Association Championships. These Queen Victoria stamps have been cancelled with the 1873 July 21st first type cds which was introduced in 1867

This postcard shows a view of the Entrance to Camp Wimbledon Common (in winter not in July!)

Linda

Posted by rclwa   ( 950 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:39:39 PST   Listings
bjorn -- Hawaii was an independent country with its own stamps at that time. The really tough ones, that do exist, are Alaska (figure $3k) and the American consulate in Japan. Also they were used from Victoria BC in Canada (another very pricey one) to facilitate routing through the U.S. They actually kept stocks of US stamps in the Canadian post office, I believe. But many of the western states were still territories then, places like Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc, and rather sparsely populated. One of these days I'll get all of them together and see which I still need.

Bob in WA
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:21:14 PST   Listings
Jim

Wales has a tradition of the male voice choir.
I'm guessing it started with the coal miners of South Wales.
Basically it was free and did not involve the rigorous exertions that they dealt with in their working lives.
However, the anthem brings back haunting memories of the mountains of North Wales which, before the emergence of Plaid Cymru, was the stronghold of the Welsh language.
When heard echoing off the walls of a stadium, sung by thousands of Welshmen, it is quite moving.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:13:16 PST   Listings
Bilbo

Numbers are correct.
Sea Creatures released October 3rd 1990, Litho, perf 12 x 11 1/2
Apollo-Soyuz July 15th 1975, litho, perf 11 1/2
Cranes October 9th, 1994, photo and engraved, perf 11 x 11 1/2.
Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:09:25 PST   Listings
bilbo Those look like "joint issues", with the USA
Posted by bilbo   ( 306 ) on Feb-04-07 at 12:01:11 PST   Listings
Hi all,

I wonder if some of you nice people might be able to help me out with some info on these sheets

Russian Sea Creatures
I think the Russian Scott numbers are 5933-5936, but I also need the other paticulars like release date, art numbers, Press type, and sheet layout if possible.

Russian Space Sheet
I think the Russian Scott numbers are 4339-4340, but I would like to get the same info as the above sheet if possible.

Two Chinese Birds Sheets
I think the Chinese Scott numbers for these two sheets are 2528-2529, but again, as much of the other information as is possible will be greatly appreciated.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 869 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:56:09 PST   Listings
Bob in WA (WT), nice find. I suppose Hawaii is impossible?
Posted by rclwa   ( 950 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:49:13 PST   Listings
W is for WT, which in both address and postmark stands for Washington Territory, one of the more elusive ones in my quest for a #114 (3¢ 1869 series) cover from each state, or whatever it was at the time. This was posted December 13, 1869. The 1870 census reported the population of Seattle, carved out of wilderness less than 20 years earlier, at 1107. The larger Olympia boasted 1203. This is frontier days, before railroads and the Panama Canal made getting here even remotely practical.

One of these days I'll have to explain the connection between this design and my bridge collection.

Bob in WA
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:42:59 PST   Listings
Io… Oh I agree. Quite stirring.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:35:15 PST   Listings
peetah

I assume image is of Queen Beatrix.
They are "cinderellas".
Maarten or Paolo would know better than I.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 869 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:14:34 PST   Listings
Rainer, I've previously seen a letter from you being sold at a Norwegian auction site, but now I'm seeing a letter to you for sale on eBay Germany! I can send you the item number if you're interested.

Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:14:33 PST   Listings
iomoon Netherlands? Values?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 11:11:43 PST   Listings
Jim

Yep.
Raises the hair on the back of my neck.

Peetah

They are local and field posts.
Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:54:17 PST   Listings
jaywild Ok, now I am confused enough, LOL. If I can find an email addy to the Unitrade editor, I'll put the question to them. (Like Scott, one has to hunt to find the editor's email addy).
NOIP Any idea what the Scott numbers are for these
stamps are? Value? I suspect Netherlands, but........?
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:47:46 PST   Listings
Peetah… Yes, I noticed that phrasing “factor” after my last post on the subject. I’m assuming it means “premium”, because if it just meant factor in the strict sense of the word, a 100% factor of CV would be the CV, and one would think NH would always sell for a premium over hinged.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by paperhistory   ( 1971 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:47:36 PST   Listings
pro: buy the book before you buy too many postal cards on a theory they are varieties. Most of the "teeth" varieties are the result of uneven printing. They all need to be completely missing for the "variety" value - there's also a variety with 23 teeth instead of the normal (21?).

Would welcome any info you have on Ohio Doanes. Do you report new finds to the various state coordinators? Or is that one of those "round tuit" projects that we all have?
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:45:18 PST   Listings
Io… So it must be this

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:37:37 PST   Listings
jaywild Would have been easier if they gave the premium as 2X or 3X the MH value.
Hmmmm,Unitrade refers to it as "Pricing Factor" ? Is there some kind of algebraic meaning for factor?
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:28:31 PST   Listings
Peetah… The wording is a little misleading. 100% of a CV of $5 is, of course, $5, but a premium of 100% means, to me at least, that 100% of the CV should be added to the original CV to get the NH value, in this case $5 + $5 = $10. So $15 is 300% of the original CV of $5, but represents only a premium of 200% over the original CV, i.e. $10.

Confused yet?

J

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:18:45 PST   Listings
Thanx jaywild Reason I asked is I was looking over my new Unitrade for Canada, and noted the Never Hinged "Pricing Factor" (up to 1948) and it set my mind to wondering. 100% of $5.00 is $5.00 so $5+$5 = $10.00 and 200% of $5.00 is $10.00 and $5+$10 = $15.00 but $15 is 300%
of $5.......isn't it?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:06:41 PST   Listings
Jim

It's not official, but try telling a Welshman.

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Tros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.

Cytgan
Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad,
Tra môr yn fur
I'r bur hoffbau,
O bydded i'r heniaith barhau.
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:04:52 PST   Listings
Peetah… A 100% premium, I would guess, would double the value. 200% would be 3 times the base value.

Just my 2¢ though…

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 10:00:25 PST   Listings
Io… Which Welsh National anthem—I found both Bwrd yr Laith and Hen Wlad fy Nhadau using Google.

J

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:59:14 PST   Listings
Jim Great link thanks for that!
Peter
Posted by prochute   ( 65 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:55:22 PST   Listings
Where o' where did this chat board go?
Oh where o' where can it be?
It's lost with its tail 'tween its legs
Like a dog who runs from a flea!

To all who come here. Stop wasting your time like some of us who still believe one can learn something new abour stamps.

My advice is FORGET ABOUT IT. with apologies to Tony Montana
Posted by jaywild   ( 913 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:55:16 PST   Listings
esmf02… For me, Ronsonol lighter fluid in a black tray is my favorite way of detecting watermarks. Black ceramic is better than black plastic, because the black is richer and darker.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers:
| 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:47:27 PST   Listings
Peter

I had to google it, Gareth Edwards' last game was in 1978, you can see a movie of "the try" here. Barry John quit in 1972. One of the memorable quotes was that he scored "one of the greatest conversions since that of St. Paul".

The games are almost worth going to just to hear the crowd sing the Welsh National anthem.
Posted by peetah   ( 460 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:47:09 PST   Listings
Assuming a Mint Hinged stamp has a catalog value of $5.00,
what would the Dollar value be if MINT NEVER HINGED had a pricing factor of 100%? and what if the pricing factor was 200% ?
(Not looking to debate the word "Mint", just looking for the math, using just 2 variables 100% and 200%)
Posted by esmf02   ( 399 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:37:20 PST   Listings
Thank you all for your advice. I appreciate it. *Flaming on a stamp board is dangerous....stamps burn, you know*
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:33:08 PST   Listings
esmf02 I get good results and can recommend the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector provided the back of the stamp is clean, but no experience with the Washington/Franklins.
Peter
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:29:07 PST   Listings
W is for William Shakespeare.


cheers

Peter
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:22:15 PST   Listings
esmf02 I'm probably not the right person to give advice, since I detest Washington/Franklins precisely because I have a very tough time identifying watermarks (so I have glassines of W/Fs set aside for "another time"). From what I've read the non-fluid methods of detecting watermarks are not as good as the fluid methods (with the possible exception of some new expensive, high technology equipment being tried at one of the expertising groups). I use lighter fluid and a black ceramic tray for detecting watermarks. I've read "the best" fluid to detect watermarks is called Clarity, although I've also read it is expensive. I haven't tried it myself.

You've unfortunately stopped by during one of the not-infrequent flame wars. You may want to try asking questions on Richard Frajola's Board. Richard keeps the focus on discussions about stamps, and there are several experts on US stamps who post to that board regularly.

Bill D.
Posted by esmf02   ( 399 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:14:41 PST   Listings
Thank you for the answers. As a follow-up to my watermarking question, is fluid and a tray the best answer? Is the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector any good? What about Safe Signoscope T2 Watermark Detector? Any value t these things or is the old fashioned way still the best bet?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:12:48 PST   Listings
Apologies for the bold
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 71 ) on Feb-04-07 at 09:12:28 PST   Listings
Jim Now you are showing your age, I can't remember when they last played:-) Come to think of it neither can I.

Paul Seems like one shot was not enough BANG :-))))
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 542 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:26:40 PST   Listings
EXHIBITS SOUGHT FOR AMERICOVER 2007
Prospectus Now Available On Web Site Or By Mail


Exhibits are now being sought for Americover 2007, the American First Day Cover Society's annual convention and FDC show, which will be held Aug. 17-19 in Stamford, Conn.

Americover is a World Series of Philately show sanctioned by the American Philatelic Society, and its Grand Award winner is eligible to compete in the Champion of Champions exhibition the following summer.

"Having FDCs exhibits now a part of the C of C has elevated FDC exhibiting to the same level as Postal History or Aerophilately," said Andrew McFarlane, Americover 2005 Grand Award winner and the first exhibitor to represent Americover at Stampshow.

The Americover 2007 prospectus and exhibit application may be downloaded from the AFDCS Web site, www.afdcs.org, or requested by mail from Norman Elrod, 641 Dogwood Trail, McMinnville, TN 37110-3015, or e-mail at nelrod@infoave.net. A business-size self-addressed stamped envelope would be appreciated.

The emphasis at Americover is on First Day Cover exhibits, and about three-fourths of each exhibit should consist of FDCs. All three divisions (Postal, Illustrated Mail and Display) of the General class of exhibits will be accepted, as well as One-Frame and Youth exhibits.

In addition to the standard WSP exhibit awards and the Grand Award, the AFDCS offers special awards for research, foreign FDCs, single-frame, topical FDCs, and novice collectors, among others, and several other philatelic societies will make their awards available to Americover exhibitors, including the APS and the American Association of Philatelic Exhibitors.

A total of 160 frames are available on a first-come first-served basis. AFDCS membership is not required to exhibit. The deadline for entering the Americover 2007 exhibition is June 15, 2007, or whenever the available frames fill up.

"Winning the Grand at Americover was the highlight of my exhibiting experience to date," said McFarlane.

In addition to the exhibition, Americover 2007 features a commercial bourse, a cachetmakers' bourse, a banquet, an informal auction, a tour before the show, a dinner event on Sunday evening, meetings and seminars, and a hospitality suite. A U.S. first-day ceremony is likely, too.

Once again, the AFDCS has held the Americover room-rate under $100 a night at the show hotel, the Stamford Marriott Hotel & Spa in downtown Stamford. The site is convenient to trains and buses, and just 13 miles from the White Plains, NY, airport ("HPN").

For more information on Americover 2007, visit the AFDCS Web site, www.afdcs.org, or write Norman Elrod via e-mail at nelrod@infoave.net.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:24:30 PST   Listings
went// not ///when
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:23:49 PST   Listings
he was ///not// we was
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:22:37 PST   Listings
To those reader who weren't around, we had a guy come on here with a very poor scan and claimed to have a printing error of the U.S. stamp of Dr. Salk ,we was not ford-coming with his answers and details but wanted everyone to get excited about what he had, So i called his bluff and the board when nuts ......but ...later it was determined not to be a great rarity and made a few here more Nuts ... as you can see a few still carry the illness today ....paul
Posted by iomoon   ( 1041 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:16:21 PST   Listings
Peter

Correct.
I guess Wales misses the talents of Barry John and Gareth Edwards and the likes.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Feb-04-07 at 08:15:40 PST   Listings
JAYWILD ------Your behavior over my statement about interest rate market last June will also always be remembered by all the readers here .Your antics that crossed the line and your scrrilous,insulting behavior was reprensible Nobody who read this board will forget,.....back to stamps
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