eBay chatboard archive: May-14-07 to May-20-07 week

Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on May-20-07 at 21:10:06 PDT   Listings
Dave F. - Good to see you posting! Looking forward to catching up with you and Jim B. for lunch this Friday. Bring a camera for an eUSC photo!

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Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on May-20-07 at 21:05:22 PDT   Listings
eUSC meeting topic

Here is an excerpt from an article in the April issue of Stamp News, regarding PNC's or Philatelic Numismatic covers. I recall seeing these in post offices in recent years and thinking they were yet another gimmick and who would buy them. Coin collectors,it would appear!

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Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 20:37:34 PDT   Listings
stamphick… Well, I suppose that was a gratuitous slap, but no matter. Not the first spit out of your mouth.

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The point remains, whether or not it is appreciated by all. The chatboard does not follow strict html, and what looks OK on some browsers will look atrocious on others. There’s nothing that can be done about it.

Jim
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on May-20-07 at 20:10:37 PDT   Listings
jaywild...Well, I thought that board was pretty simple to use but perhaps only simple folks like me can understand what it is and how to use it.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1327 ) on May-20-07 at 19:55:01 PDT   Listings

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Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 19:40:23 PDT   Listings
stamphick… In my last post I copied the exact source code for the post you made immediately prior. If it shows up OK on your computer, i.e. it looks like it does on the chatboard, then that is a function solely of the browser you are using. It shows up as a mess on Internet Explorer. My only point is that using “Practice Poster” itself is unfortunately not a way to guarantee what your post will look like to everyone who sees it.

Jim
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on May-20-07 at 18:42:34 PDT   Listings
Dave F.... Yes, that board is updated as eBay fools with the boards, with a little lag time. If you check your post there you will get it right here.

There are some minor differences between the chats and the forums but you can check your code for each as you probably noticed.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on May-20-07 at 18:39:28 PDT   Listings
jaywild...I haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 18:32:00 PDT   Listings
stamphick… Unfortunately, your practive board doesn’t work either. The code for the post you entered most recently on the chatboard looks like this on the practice board you linked to—













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If you want to see what your post will look like on a chatboard or forum this Practice Poster is the one to use.

If you aren't familiar with HTML this board will do it for you.



It looks fine on this practice board, but not on the chatboard or on “Practice Poster”.

The chatboard code is a mess, frankly, and I doubt it can ever be straightened out.

Jim
Posted by philatarium   ( 229 ) on May-20-07 at 18:26:08 PDT   Listings
David: Thank you! That's definitely the board to use. It revealed the spacing problems. I've got it bookmarked now! Many thanks!!
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on May-20-07 at 18:17:12 PDT   Listings
If you want to see what your post will look like on a chatboard or forum this Practice Poster is the one to use.

If you aren't familiar with HTML this board will do it for you.
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 18:09:48 PDT   Listings
Io… Except that doesn’t explain why html commands, such as font face, are read properly then later on ignored. It also doesn’t explain why for some people a URL is a link, while for others it is not.

I admit I know nothing about “embedding”, so perhaps that is the answer. My only point was that if you use html for composing your posts on the chatboard, you will be frequently be disappointed with the results. An example would be Dave F’s post just below.

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Jim
Posted by philatarium   ( 229 ) on May-20-07 at 17:59:58 PDT   Listings
Hmm. Looked great on the practice board I used. Oh, well ...

Posted by philatarium   ( 229 ) on May-20-07 at 17:58:58 PDT   Listings

Hi, all!  Long time, no post, so I thought I'd drag out my rusty html
skills and try to post on this weekend's meeting topic.


At first, I couldn't imagine how the subject of the relationship between
currency and stamps had any implications for Japanese stamps, which I have
collected from time to time, and I was about to let this meeting topic pass me
by.  Then I had a Homer Simpson "d'oh!" moment:


There's an early series of Japanese stamps that are often referred to as the
"koban" stamps.  (1876 - 1892, Scott #55-84).  Well, "koban" is the
name for a type of Japanese coin, and the stamps' design was thought to resemble
that coin.  


Here's an

illustration of the koban coin
(the one in the middle).


And then here's an

illustration of the koban stamps
.


Now, as it happens, there's a footnote in the Scott catalog that says some of
the stamps in that series are found with telegraph or telephone cancels, used to
pay for that service.  So, I suppose that's another tie-in to the meeting
topic:  stamps used as currency (for very specific services).


Scott also says that those telephone and telegraph cancels sell "at
considerably lower prices than postally used copies".  Unfortunately, they
don't illustrate or describe the cancel, so there are a lot of telephone cancels
floating around out there being priced at regular catalog values.  So I
thought I'd turn this into a learning opportunity.  In the

stamp link
, the 3rd stamp on the bottom row (orange, 20 sen), has a nearly
full-on telephone cancel. (And they look kinda like the old-fashioned telephone
dials.)


Thanks for letting me chime in! (And I'm keeping my fingers crossed about the
html ...)


Best to all,


-- Dave


Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-20-07 at 17:20:50 PDT   Listings
Jim

The board does not need line breaks nor paragraph breaks.
They are embedded.
It's only when you need commands that the board is not expecting like, bold, underline, links, or italic, that you actually have to actually use html.
Some older browsers will still not read html commands.
Firefox 1.5 is an example since it cannot read pound or euro signs, firefox 2 will read them though.
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-20-07 at 17:01:50 PDT   Listings
gemdiva64: "Somepeople never throw anything away..." We are all, to one degree or another...packrats!
Phil
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 16:39:37 PDT   Listings
Hi again.. I absolutely was trying to post a link using another website. I never had problems with auctionrepair..boo hoo..somehow it's not working anymore. But with your help I'm finding other hosting sites which are actually better!! Thanks so much. I'm still doing tons of searching for the various items in this estate. Now I'm on Post cards! Gosh..it's nice that some people never throw anything..anything away.
Sharon
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 16:20:59 PDT   Listings
Clarification—I wrote “when you type ‘enter’ ” but meant to write “when you hit ‘enter’ ”

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 16:16:08 PDT   Listings
Io… To elaborate further, the board does not hew exactly to html. For example, if you format one line in a particular font and follow it by a paragraph break, the next paragraph will revert to the default font eBay has chosen for the board. That’s not html. (Weirdly, if you enter two line breaks instead of a paragraph break, your change of font is preserved.) Also, you can simply type “enter” while composing a post and it will show up as a paragraph break on the board, which is not something html will do.

Ebay tried to make using the chatboard easier, but didn’t stop and think that not everybody uses the same browser.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 16:10:06 PDT   Listings
Io… With IE you can simply copy the URL and drop it into your post—no need to encase it in brackets or anything else. I think that’s what gemdiva did, and on Roger’s computer it did not show up as a link. Thus, he said that it seemed to him she was trying to post an image to the board, when I think she was trying to post a link, which she did, successfully, for some of us.

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Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-20-07 at 16:00:34 PDT   Listings
Jim

Nope, the square brackets as in [] are for bulletin board links.
The <> brackets are for html links.
This board reads "basic" html, no matter the browser.
(Though it doesn't like netscape).
I prefer firefox to IE7.
Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-20-07 at 15:54:27 PDT   Listings
infla-alec… I think that gemdiva’s links don’t show up as links on certain browsers, thus Roger’s remark that she seems to be attempting to post an image to the board. It shows up as a link on IE 7, but a lot of people use other browsers. This is the fault of eBay, who tried to make it easier to post links to the chatboard but neglected to do the heavy work of making sure their fiddling worked the same for everybody.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-20-07 at 15:44:02 PDT   Listings
Sharon

I still have one of my childhood albums.
It is sorta "professional" in that the stamps are at least arranged in date order.
Problem is, they aren't worth much since I sold the "good bits" at a B&M auction about 30 years ago.
My current collections have four albums for one country , three stockbooks of topical stamps, and a couple of stockbooks and the kitchen table for the remainder.
Oops, I forgot the ammo chests full of covers and all the rest of the covers which I don't yet know how to store satisfactorally
Posted by twidget2000   ( 30 ) on May-20-07 at 15:38:03 PDT   Listings
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Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 15:14:47 PDT   Listings
Hello IOMOON...that seems right.. after reading the Big Yellow post. The collection seems haphazard and not professional. Just goes to show that just because something is old it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth a heck of a lot. :-)
Sharon
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-20-07 at 14:51:39 PDT   Listings
Sharon

Your Japanese stamps are worth about 20 cents apiece.
The minimum in the Scott catalog.
They are not arranged in any specific order as to date, watermark or printing.
The album is probably worth little.
Sell it as a whole.
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 14:31:24 PDT   Listings
http://usera.imagecave.com/gemdiva93257/japanstamplot.jpg
Is this better? I sure hope so
Sharon
Posted by infla-alec   ( 531 ) on May-20-07 at 14:02:21 PDT   Listings
Sharon The uploads you have with imageshack are fine. Now you can either just copy and paste the URL here to show the pics as a link or learn some HTML code to have the link appear as part of your text. Either way is fine as they both do the same thing in effect. One is just a way of hiding the URL until the text you see in BLUE is clicked on.
From the scans you posted I didn't see anything except common cheap stamps. It really looks like an album filled with stamps by a collector who hasn't really went out of his way to what we philatelists call adding, "key items". That meaning the better high value items.
Chances are that what you have is all very similar and so maybe best listing as one collection. What it's worth is anyone's guess. If you have enough good scans then bidders will soon decide the true market value.
Yes you can try breaking the collection down into smaller lots but that can be a lot of hard work and often for little gain. More so when you are not a collector yourself.

My opinion is that the collection would be better suited to passing onto a youngster in the family who may decide to take up the hobby. If so rest assured they can come here for help anytime. Or take up the hobby yourself and learn here all you need to know.

Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-20-07 at 13:38:02 PDT   Listings
Bjorn -
From this site - http://www.swissmint.ch/en-topics-numismatics-theswissfranc.the-150-years-of-swiss-franc.html

"...prior to the Monetary Reform in 1850, utter currency chaos had been the order of the day for several centuries in Switzerland. During this time, numerous ruling bodies (e.g. cantons, municipalities, abbeys, etc.) simultaneously exercised their prerogative of minting huge quantities of coins in differing denominations, currencies and coinage systems. Moreover, a considerable influx of foreign coins originating from the wages of mercenaries as well as the first banknotes issued by private banks were also in circulation – a state of affairs which obviously rendered everyday monetary transactions exceedingly troublesome and complicated."

and

"Although the Monetary Reform of 1850/52 was instrumental in replacing the multitude of old Swiss coinage, this did not primarily foresee nationalising the entire volume of money in circulation. At that time, some 80% of the money supply in Switzerland consisted of foreign currency. Of the high-quality silver coins in circulation, only a negligible percentage was of Swiss origin. The majority of this currency was French or Italian. Insofar as the silver coinage minted in France, Italy and Belgium conformed to the new Swiss standard, these were considered legal tender. At the same time, however, the newly issued Swiss coins were also circulated in these respective countries."


BTW - it was the all for stamps.

Roger
Posted by bjornmu   ( 920 ) on May-20-07 at 12:55:06 PDT   Listings
Roger, well not quite, the small unit has two completely different names: cents or rappen. No wonder the small coins just has the number (or 1/2 F). :-) BTW I found the 5Fr coin annoying, as it's too big to fit in an old film canister, which I use for carrying coins in when travelling. It's the only coin I've encountered that was too big.

To keep this philatelic: the different currencies problem can also be seen in the first German stamps, which were issued in two parallel series, in groschen and kreutzer.
Until they were united in pfenning(e).
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-20-07 at 12:22:24 PDT   Listings
NOIP -
I've stayed silent on coins -stamps. It is interesting ot note that the first use of stamps in Switzerland emphasized a major problem that existed in Switzerland during the 1840's. I can't remember exactly, but there were something like 250 different coins being used in the country. Just about each Canton had a currency, and coins from neighboring countries were also used. The "nationalization" of the postal system required a common currency, and it came about for the 1850 Rayon issues. There is a reason the Swiss were into banking and currency exchange! The country went on to use a single coinage and all problems ended for the Swiss. LOL
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-20-07 at 12:15:47 PDT   Listings
Sharon -
Your html appears to be an attempt to putting the image here on the Board. Please use the code for a link. It's difficult to show here, so click on your menu bar and find where it says View Source. That will allow you to see the code for this page. Then scroll down, for example, to Iomoon's post at 8:19:51. You can then copy and paste your http: --------etc.jpg into his link code. Then post here on this Board. That will show as a link here then whomever wishes can look at your images, and those who aren't interested don't have to look!
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 12:01:53 PDT   Listings
[URL=http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1004043ma3.jpg][IMG]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/728/1004043ma3.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Here's another stamp from the album
Sharon
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 11:41:42 PDT   Listings
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3571/japanstamps1gc3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Just found imageshack and hope this works ok.
Sharon
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 11:37:57 PDT   Listings
Hello Greenwave and alec.. I am too too chicken to try to remove any of the stamps. I'd be so afraid to ruin something. However, there are some that are already loose and laying about in the pages of the book. I do have a scanner and a camera..used to used imageupload tool on auction health but lately it's not working for me. I'll have to figure out a way to upload my pics ( just took a bunch) and will get it on the board for more suggestions.
Sharon
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-20-07 at 11:20:11 PDT   Listings
Sharon Wise words from Alec, but suggest you don't remove any stamps from the album unless you know what your are doing. Especially as albums put up for sale later with empty spaces showing remains of hinges are a dead giveaway that someone has already raided the best stamps:-)
Peter
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-20-07 at 11:16:28 PDT   Listings
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Posted by infla-alec   ( 531 ) on May-20-07 at 11:08:03 PDT   Listings
Sharon If I may be also so bold as to advise you to reduce the starting prices on your stamp listings. The mint US stamps can be bought virtually everywhere often at below face value.Overpriced lots will rarely sell and all you are doing is wasting $ in auction fees.
I realise you are not a philatelist and would also suggest looking up completed listings of similar lots to anything you may wish to try and sell.
Either that or post a scan link here for how best to go about selling. You obviously have a scanner or camera so it's a simple matter of having some web space to park your images and then uploading them there to show here. How to do that is explained in the yelow box link further down the page. If still stuck then just ask for help. Or e-mail me via ebay and I'll give you an e-mail address to send your image to and I'll upload an image or two for you and post it here.
But do try learning how to upload images yourself and learn how to make the most of your web host. If you know how you can save yourself a lot of money when doing your auctions.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 531 ) on May-20-07 at 10:57:06 PDT   Listings
Sharon It would help if you could scan and show a link to the stamps in the album. That will allow ones here to give you a far more accurate opinion as to how seriously the collection was formed.
The majority of such world wide albums do not contain rare and expensive stamps. In fact many were made of a paper that can cause damage to stamps. That said some of the older albums are perfectly ok. Much depends on where and how they have been stored over the years.
I'm going to assume you wish to sell the stamps and maybe it would be better to try and keep the album intact. However for any interested buyers they would want to see scans of most if not all the contents. By that I mean items listed with sharp clear scans will always sell better than poor or blurred image ones.

It'd be a pretty safe bet that any issues from recent isues are not expensive stamps so try it out on one or two of those first until you get the hang of removing the stamps.

How best to remove the stamps is the next step. Firstly get yourself a pair of stamp tweezers. Not the type you ladies use to pluck your eyebrows. Using those may result in a dirty big hole being punched through a stamp !! Withe the tip of the tweezers you should be able to insert it under the bottom of the stamp and then gently lift the stamp upwards to an angle of about 45 degrees. With a firm but steady grip on the stamp using the tweezers you can then gently pull the stamp free from the page. Take care not to rip or tear it off in a hurry. Sometimes the hinge itself will remain attached to the back of the stamp. Don't worry about that for now. Hinge removal from stamps is another matter.
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 10:26:20 PDT   Listings
Hello infla-alec...Both albums appear to have the stamps attached with hinges..in fact there was a little package of unused hinges in this large lot that I purchased. The older 1920's album is inscribed to the 11yr. old boy by his Nanna..it's so sweet. He must have continued collecting stamps until near his death as they date all the way to the 2000 issues of a stamp he was actually involved in creating for one of our local events. The gentleman was a newspaper publisher and quite a vivacious political figure in our town.
Sharon
Posted by infla-alec   ( 531 ) on May-20-07 at 10:16:29 PDT   Listings
Sharon Depending on how the stamps have been attached to the album will determine how feasible it is to remove the stamps safely. Before removing anything be sure that the stamp you want to remove isn't a valuable one. Can you explain how the stamps have been affixed to the albums ? Usually hinges would have been used and you should be able to carefully remove stamps from the albums that have been attached that way.
If completely stuck down then their removal becomes a bit more complicated.
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 10:07:04 PDT   Listings
Hi again..well I'm certainly learning a lot about stamps today. I'm viewing them as little works of art and gaining an entirely NEW appreciation for thise little bits of paper and glue.
One other question..I have two nice old stamp collecting albums..one from 1920's and the other from 1952. Both are incomplete but do have some very nice and old stamps attached. Would it be possible to remove some of the stamps to sell individually ? or would it be more feasible to sell them as a set?
TIA
Sharon
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on May-20-07 at 09:25:33 PDT   Listings
For our Triangle (Maartan and ?) specialists, question.
Does this fit your collecting criteria?

St Vincent Revenue Barefoot 2a

Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-20-07 at 09:18:50 PDT   Listings
try once more
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 629 ) on May-20-07 at 09:12:37 PDT   Listings
Richard F. Thanks, so much, for making up that awesome exhibit, just for the clubs meeting <:~`))


Gotta take off for most of the day. There are some stamps I would like to obtain at an auction in the big city today.

Carry on plz.........I'm outta here..............
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-20-07 at 09:06:55 PDT   Listings
Try again
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-20-07 at 09:03:27 PDT   Listings
How about more coins on
stamps.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 920 ) on May-20-07 at 08:43:34 PDT   Listings
Now for something different. Not currency on stamps but stamp on currency! This 2 dollar "FDC" is postmarked one month too early. I'm probably going to include this in my upcoming exhibit on the page devoted to "errors made on purpose", as I suspect it is.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 920 ) on May-20-07 at 08:33:15 PDT   Listings
Currency on stamps: in 1975, Norway issued two stamps commemorating the centenaries of the (unrelated) Scandinavian Currency Union and the Meter Convention. The 1.25 stamp features the 30 skilling/1 krone dual denomination coin of 1875. After two years, the skilling denominations were dropped.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-20-07 at 08:19:51 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

How about an Indian Head Penny.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 629 ) on May-20-07 at 08:02:00 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

For May 2007, is currently in session.

The meetings topic is considering the many relationships between stamps and currency.
Currency on stamps, stamps on currency, stamps used for currency, printing techniques, similar designs etc etc etc

Thanks for all the interesting contributuions so far, I hope there will be many more

Meeting will end tonight, 12:00 Midnight ebay time.



Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-20-07 at 07:02:59 PDT   Listings
MATT IN ARIZONA...thanks so much for the clarification. Cachet it is and I'll refer to that when I list more of this estate lot. I have tons that have the 20th century ltd. 1952 New York central railroad. The gentleman who collected these was a lifelong employee ( age 15 through 65) of that railroad and was an avid philatelist.
Sharon
Posted by knuden   ( 2273 ) on May-20-07 at 07:02:59 PDT   Listings
Iceland issued 2 commemorative stamps of the 100 year of the National Bank of Iceland.
The motive of the 13.00 Kr stamp is from this note and the motive of the 250.00 stamp is from the 5 Kr. note here (sorry bad copy but the only one I could find).

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School !!  :O)
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-20-07 at 06:43:45 PDT   Listings
Here's one of my favorite Shilling stamps. The color combination is so regal.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1348 ) on May-20-07 at 06:12:58 PDT   Listings
One of the more interesting frames from my "Paying the Postage" exhibit.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 362 ) on May-20-07 at 05:21:56 PDT   Listings
Stamps & Currency
Australia has issued stamps depicting gold coins, but sorry, I dont have any here to scan.
In 1967 they issued a 4c Commemorative for the 150th Anniversary of Banking in Australia.
In 1968 this 5c Commemorative was for the 11th Triennial Congress of the International Union of Building Societies and Savings Associations !
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-20-07 at 04:55:18 PDT   Listings
Had to think a bit for this weekend's topic but decided on "shilling" a denomination that appears on many GB and Commonwealth stamps. These from Eritrea show the combination of shillings and cents where 1 shilling = 1 cent, an attempt at decimalising the shilling? Apparently the shilling will live on in Africa, the East African Community have decided to adopt a common currency from 2009 and the proposal is the "shilling"

There are many classic GB shilling stamps and often the only way to afford a nice mint copy is through one of the overseas overprints such as the 24pi surcharge on SG318 Carmine Somerset printing for British Levant. Another being the 180pi surcharge on SG417 dull grey blue Bradbury printing, which in my opinion is the best colour for the seahorses.

Decimalisation killed the shilling in UK, this being the last day of official use in GB.


Peter


Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-20-07 at 02:28:32 PDT   Listings
Coorection of some ypos -
""My suspicion is that there are none between the first day in 1893
and yours of 1899, because the canceller was a private trial never
ordered by the PTT, and only when the fuss had died down and with the
official trials with de Coppet RB in 1898 did someome say, "Look what I have found in this old drawer, let's use it too". None of this can I prove,
except that none have turned up. When a few come to light then the
story can be changed."
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-20-07 at 02:26:34 PDT   Listings
Paolo -

You do have a copy of a Zumstein Specialized, right? Before you send your rejects up in smoke, make sure they are totally spoiled, as new discoveries are made every year.

I had an interesting note back from a Swiss cancel expert. I asked about the Ste Croix/Suisse used in that town first for a railway opening in 1893, one day only. The records indicate a use in June 1897. My first used is late 1899 and I wanted references to anyone who might have an 1897-98 example for sale. His answer was this.
"My suspicion is that there are none between the first day in 1893
and yours of 1899, because the canceller was a private trial never
ordered by the PTT, and only when the fuss had died down and with the
official trails with de Coppet RB in 1998 did someome say, "Look what
I have found in this old drawer, let's use it too". None of this can I prove,
except that none have turned up. When a few come to light then the
story can be changed."

So I guess I'll have to go with my card, unless another dealer comes through with an earlier date! The lesson which I discovered early on in collecting razor cancels is that there may be extensive use dates, but that doesn't mean the cancelers were used regularly or consistantly. Sometimes they were used for only a few weeks during any given year, then there are no examples for a lng time. Evenutually I'll start making date line usages for all the postoffices I'm collecting to find the big holes.

Roger
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1976 ) on May-19-07 at 20:35:00 PDT   Listings
just finally listed some things after a few months -- what the heck did eBay do to the listing forms? What a mess. Talk about breaking what doesn't need fixing...
Posted by keleofa   ( 3443 ) on May-19-07 at 20:14:44 PDT   Listings
Sharon,

It's 'CACHET' and it refers to a picture or illustration on the envelope. On modern FDCs it will have a theme in common with the stamp being issued.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 922 ) on May-19-07 at 19:58:25 PDT   Listings
Hi all.. I've been working on the big load of stamps and such from the estate sale. In my searching and researching I'm noticing the word "cached" when referring to some of the FDC letters. What the heck does that mean?...
TIA for any help you may give me.
Sharon
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on May-19-07 at 19:48:43 PDT   Listings
A very good day to all!

I almost got around the Swiss accumulation I mentioned in a previous message. The quantity was and is overwhelming for me, I maybe be at half of it with a Michel catalogue value of above 45000 euro, but I like these stamps and I am making lots of 2-300 perfect sets, having eliminated the defective stamps with fire (I immolate, you know?), after I have checked them all for plate faults, re-entries where present in the engraved ones and paper varieties, just as some examples.
I went through several almost completely sleepless nights the last week.
Lots of pleasure, with acceptable headaches from staying bent on the stamps (and maybe contamination from the fungi spore released by the opening of old envelopes)!
I absolutely do NOT miss my Vatican City and San Marino (and contemporary Italy, even though this one was a prefabricated -- by me -- collection, out of my stock) which I swapped for the Swiss accumulation (and I got a bonus on Italian States postage stamps).

Collect Switzerland, it is a lot of pleasure, learning experiences and fun!
Paolo
Posted by dkru   ( 354 ) on May-19-07 at 19:39:36 PDT   Listings
Antonius Ra...This page shows some Bahamian coins on stamps.

Dana, a median stamp collector, 50 yesterday.

Posted by figmente   ( 888 ) on May-19-07 at 19:24:59 PDT   Listings
Cowries as currency have a considerable history. As we see here on congo, solomon islands, and china P.R., as well as R.O.



Island coinage often shows marine creatures.

This colorful set has an octopus, crab, flying fish, and turtle.

Another fish, and a whole group of them from virgin islands.

The cayman dollar comes up twice.

Several commonwealth sets come in 3 versions, starting as pence, shilling, etc., then a new currency overprint, before being issued in dollars and cents.



A bit more unusual, here is a dual currency issue.

But, when it comes to money, most critters lack interest.


Posted by jaywild   ( 944 ) on May-19-07 at 19:02:24 PDT   Listings
Roger… What a harrowing Bel Air fire story. I was about ten years old and living in Arizona, and I remember how horrified I was at the news reports.

NOIP... I was watching this more out of curiosity than anything else. It was postmarked less than a week before Johnson became president following the assassination of JFK. I guess nobody was particularly interested…it went for the opening bid.

Jim
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1976 ) on May-19-07 at 18:26:28 PDT   Listings
During the US civil war stamps quite literally became coinage. A patent was issued for a small round device with a mica cover that stamps were inserted into and circulated as coinage.

Fractional currency was also issued (as a proxy for the circulation of actual stamps); the first issue illustrated stamps in the denomination of the note. I have several of those around somewhere, but as usual the problem is finding them.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on May-19-07 at 18:20:59 PDT   Listings
PROCHUTE---CLASSICBRUCE----DAVID B. After spenting 11 hours in a parking lot sealcoating and striping it, thought I would sit down and sort out those SEYCHELLES .Here are the rought lay outs of the various stamps that I got .Not looking forward to another day tomorrow of 11 hours in the sun ....lol....FIRST PAGE and the SECOND PAGE.......paul
Posted by dbenson   ( 8214 ) on May-19-07 at 16:02:13 PDT   Listings
A British 1s. coin used to impress the seal on a Tonga 1840 Missionary cover


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David B.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3443 ) on May-19-07 at 15:58:10 PDT   Listings
Philaweb,

Pretty good fake! Good catch!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by philaweb   ( 221 ) on May-19-07 at 15:51:25 PDT   Listings
Adopted, naturally. {:o)
Posted by philaweb   ( 221 ) on May-19-07 at 15:50:01 PDT   Listings
keleofa Nope. The Gregorian calendar was adoption 1918. The difference by the way between the Gregorian and Julian calendar was a merely 13 days.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3443 ) on May-19-07 at 15:29:41 PDT   Listings
Philaweb,

Any adjustments needed to convert from Russian calendars?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on May-19-07 at 15:15:32 PDT   Listings
It was bound to happen.

reproductions of.......reproductions!

Of course the BIN price sort of betrays the feigned "who knows?" pap of the seller.......
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-19-07 at 15:13:10 PDT   Listings
Paul -
With a story like that, how can you not bid high? I'l give you my 2¢.
)'>)

Roger
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-19-07 at 15:12:03 PDT   Listings
Hmmm, Mitchell

not many stamps of volcanoes issued for currency, but from one of my other collections Bank of England.
Posted by philaweb   ( 221 ) on May-19-07 at 15:01:37 PDT   Listings
keleofa, iomoon, infla-alec, knuden, bjornmu, malolo, dbenson

Many thanks for taking a stab at the answer. The right answer is: Postage stamp was issued August 25, 1920 almost a year later than postmark indicates.
Additionally, the postage rate for a postcard abroad was raised at this very date to 15 kopeks - not 25 kopeks. The use of provisional cancellations in Riga ended May 22, 1919, when the town was taken over by the Latvian Post - not following the Germans, who gave over postal service as of December 1918 to the Workers Council of Riga (Bolsheviks)

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 629 ) on May-19-07 at 14:54:01 PDT   Listings
Stamps used for money

In 1913 this set of Russian stamps was printed commemorating the tercentenary of the founding of the Romanov dynasty. As fate would have it the dynasty would only last another 4 years. Prior to this set all Russian stamps only depicted the Russian coat of arms with various borders.
In 1915 these stamps from the 1913 set were
reprinted on thin cardboard to be used as currency. Although they were to be used only as currency many found
their way into the postal system. Cancelled ones are much scarcer and are valued accordingly. I would imagine many
of the ones that were used for currency got pretty beat up!
These money stamps also had and inscription on the reverse which translates:
"having circulation on par with silver subsidiary coins" Three different incriptions were used on these.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 629 ) on May-19-07 at 14:32:46 PDT   Listings
Hmmmmm, 8.5 hours and only two meeting related posts, other than mine (thanks Knud & Bob) Perhaps new meeting topics are just to challenging? Maybe next meeting, we should just discuss which stamp hinges are best and get 100 posts on how to spell Dennison?
This is not a tough topic people and could be quite interesting with some input. I can think of hundreds possibly thousands of stamps that could be included in the discussion for many different reasons.





Posted by bjornmu   ( 920 ) on May-19-07 at 14:01:46 PDT   Listings
NOIP: Yipee!! On Monday I finally got around to buying a printer, I haven't had one in 10+ years. But getting these things set up with Linux is not trivial, as software that comes with the printers are only for Windows or Mac. I got stuck getting all pieces of SW installed, but today I was able to complete it and print pictures and stuff on my HP Deskjet 6980. :-)

Now I should also be able to print out the pages for my one-frame exhibit, the deadline is getting closer.....
Posted by rclwa   ( 964 ) on May-19-07 at 13:32:30 PDT   Listings
As I am not able to scan or even refer to my files of scans, I can only offer a few words regarding stamps and currency. One thing that comes to mind is the prospect of the same engraving used on both. Previously here I have posted a banknote with part of the engraving depicting a seated Indian woman with child, similar to the corner of the 1c Columbian (US Scott #230). It is obviously from the same idea source but different engravings of the subject. A closer match is the locomotive on the 1869 3c stamp (US Scott #114) which is also seen on a larger scene on the reverse of a very expensive and rare CSA $500 bill! It was engraved in 1861, and also appears on many stock certificates, some of which I own.

In my nude collection, a recent (last 20 years) Finnish booklet comes to mind whose stamps depict Finnish banknotes of the 1920s showing groups of nudists. The banknotes themselves are moderately expensive, but now and then I remember to search for them on eBay, hoping to find a good price one day.

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, away from home.

Bob in WA
Posted by dbenson   ( 8207 ) on May-19-07 at 13:26:27 PDT   Listings
NOIP,

A very good friend of mine who is a Christian Evangelist, songwriter, singer & all round good guy moved to Nashville with his family last year and this week we heard that his oldest son was involved in a accident which took his young life whilst vacationing in Illinois.

Here is Mike Rayson's web page,

http://webpages.charter.net/mikerayson/Publication3.htm

Various churches and organisations are trying to raise money to pay for the medical expenses,

Buying one of records would help him and his church,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-19-07 at 12:33:18 PDT   Listings
Paul

3. You're broke!! :-)
Posted by dbenson   ( 8207 ) on May-19-07 at 12:26:30 PDT   Listings
philaweb, re. the Latvia 25k. on pppc.

Gibbons quote 26th. July 1919 for the Honeycomb watermarked 25k. and 20th. August for the no watermark, presumably it is watermarked. The date looks like 13th. Spetember 1919. What was your reason for querying it,

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-19-07 at 12:17:42 PDT   Listings
Here's a link to the Bel Aire Fire of 1961. I was working with a landscaper in one of the canyons west of the San Diego Freeway. The fire was burning up to the freeway from the east, then crossed over the the ridelines and we ended up looking at fire above. We scrambled onto the roof of the owners and the neighbor's, who wasn't home, and started sprinking them with water.
I've never seen homes explode, but some reached