eBay chatboard archive: May-21-07 to May-27-07 week

Posted by cfrphoto   ( 1109 ) on May-27-07 at 23:15:08 PDT   Listings
Jim,

The order of sorting Washington/Franklins is a personal choice, but I would suggest sorting based on design, appearance (printing method and shade), then type, perforations and watermark last of all. Production changes in the Washington/Franklin series were driven by an increase in the demand for stamps coupled with severe quality control problems. Initially, imperforate and hand assembled coil stamps were produced to meet the emerging use of affixing machines by businesses. The rotary press made high volume production of coils stamps possible as businesses increasingly used the machines for mass mailings. Offset stamps were printed to fill gaps in stamp production related to World I shortages. The various types of rotary and offset printings were directly related to difficulties printing acceptable looking stamps using unmodified flat plate dies.

The general appearance of Washington/Franklin stamps is often distinctive enough to be able to group them, especially with experience. Using a divide and conquer technique, once the stamps are grouped into sheet stamps, coils and imperforate, then they can be grouped by design, printing method, perforations and finally watermark:
• Separate the stamps by design and denomination
• For 1, 2 and 3 cent stamps, pick out the tall rotary sheet stamps (1 cent only) , the wide coil waste stamps (1 and 2 cent) and the offset stamps. The rotary press stamps have a distinctive appearance and can be distinguished from flat plate stamps using a horizontal coil or rotary sheet stamp as a size gauge. Note that booklet pane singles are a bit wider and perhaps a bit shorter than a standard sheet stamp, but not as wide as a rotary. The 2 cent is easier because coil waste stamps are type III (or rarely type II). The offset stamps have distinctive shades and appearance, generally with more unprinted area, especially a white ring inside the toga button.
• One-off checks include checking bluish paper for one and two cent stamps (the others are truly rare), perf 11 two cent stamps (rarer yet) and the perf 11 single line watermarked #461 (distinctive red shade, often found in with perf 10 stamps). Also, the 1 cent offset is perf 11 or 12½.
• Check 2 cent perf 11 stamps (and the unwatermarked imperf Schermack) for the distinctive and heavily inked toga button of a type Ia. Do not confuse with the strong toga button outline of any 2 cent offset.
• For 1, 2 and 3 cent stamps, pick out the wide rotary perf 11 x 10 or perf 11 sheet stamps (2 cent are type III or type II and the 3 cent is type II only). All 1912 flat plate 2 cent stamps are type I except for the type Ia #500.

Separate coil stamps by appearance: Flat plate coils have more saturated color, printing offset on the back and practically no ink wash or joint line smears. Rotary coils are wider or taller and always have perforations aligned between rows. Many used flat plate coils are faked by trimming a sheet stamp and most perf 12 coils are faked by trimming or adding perforations to an imperf stamp. A significant percentage of unused 1 and 2 cent perf 8½ and perf 10 coils are also fakes.

Almost all of the coils will also have to be checked for a watermark to determine their identity. The best on-line reference for types is the 1847usa.com Washington Franklins Worksheet Main Page. It has practically all of the type differences in a convenient and useful format. I recommend a 15 power glass for typing, but 10 power may be sufficient.

Regarding rarity, used #519 examples are extremely rare (I have never found one) as are not previously noticed carmine 5 cent #505 or #467 used. There should be more used #461 examples floating around, but they are rare (I have found one and perhaps a second). The easiest stamps to find are the coil waste #538 and #540 and sometimes a #595 (rare). The type II #539 is exceedingly rare, but may exist in a mix somewhere. Finding #500 is the easiest to find once your eyes are trained to spot them. I have picked out more than 80 from mix and maybe 10 #540 since I started looking years ago. The most recent one was during a Law and Order commercial break about a week ago.

Finally, the true rarities deserving mention are the compound perforated 10 x 12 and 12 x 10 1, 2 and 5 cent stamps and the perf 10 top or bottom varieties. I haven’t found any, but years ago, I found the used discovery copy of the #459 (2 cent imperf rotary coil) with United States Automatic Vending Machine private perforations.

Good luck in your search.
Posted by private_bids   ( 25 )   on May-27-07 at 23:13:08 PDT   Listings
HI, Does anyone know how to identify a real or fake China Stamp T46 Monkey ?
Please enlighten

Thanks in Advance
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-27-07 at 22:10:37 PDT   Listings
NOIP… With all the celebrations today in honor of US Memorial Day, I became curious to see how many World War I veterans are still around. I came across this interesting list. Apparently there are only 28 living WWI veterans, most of whom did not actually serve at the various fronts.

Ant-Ra... I agree that sorting them by perfs is the easiest way to go. If you look at the table at the bottom of my Wash-Franks identifier you can find the catalog number a variety of different ways. That’s how I was reminded there was a double-line watermarked perf 11 Washington stamp. I never would have remembered that off the top of my head.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-27-07 at 22:03:30 PDT   Listings
Jim The 519 is also a type A139 not A140 which narrows that field quite a bit.
Posted by minncowgirl   ( 66 ) on May-27-07 at 21:46:03 PDT   Listings
After weeks of frustrating searching, I finally found a USPS Stamp decoder only to find that I couldn't see any of the hidden images. I followed the directions that accompanied the decoder but nothing. Can anyone give me a clue as to how to use it? Does it work?
Thank you, in advance, for any help anyone can give me.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-27-07 at 21:35:33 PDT   Listings
Jim OK, you're correct. What do you think the odds of finding one in a mixed batch is? Methinks, perhaps 200,000 to one. Probably 40,000 to 1 on the 461.
You've probably thought about the procedure more than I but sorting by perf first still makes the most amount of sense to me.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-27-07 at 20:22:20 PDT   Listings
Ant-Ra… The 519 2 cent Washington was perf 11 with double-line watermark.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-27-07 at 20:07:51 PDT   Listings
Jim L Except for #461 all perf 11's are unwatermarked as far as I recall. This really narrows the field as the majority of W/F's in a large batch are perf 11.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-27-07 at 19:58:57 PDT   Listings
Jim L When I sort W/F's, I turn them all face down and sort by perfs first. It is really quite easy as a first step.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-27-07 at 19:46:22 PDT   Listings
Greetings,

So, from the 3 cent W/F page I take it you suggest that one first check the watermarks, then the perfs and lastly the press. If this is not the process you'd suggest for about 25 pounds of stamps off paper please advise.

member
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-27-07 at 18:53:08 PDT   Listings
On the topic of catalog price versus real world value; I would gladly pay full catalog value for any stamp I need that catalogs less than a dollar. The point is that someone has to dig it out and deal with it. Looking thru needlists for collections that are pretty tight can
seem like a waste of time (unless they have deep pockets). I thank the stamp Gods that there are a few good samaritans that do just that, from time to time.
As far as the higher value items are concerned they are not that hard to find, it is more a matter of $. Collecting the world does give one the advantage of collecting countries that are cold at any given time. I've built most of my collection in the 20% of cat range. The problem is the tougher stamps often command a bigger percentage especially when hot!

The World of Stamps
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-27-07 at 18:45:52 PDT   Listings
Thanks Willder

D1
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on May-27-07 at 17:43:01 PDT   Listings
I'll jump in and propose an eUSC 'get together' for the APS StampShow in Portland on either Friday or Saturday at lunch time. I don't believe the various seminars and such have had their schedules announced yet though, so it might be early to set a schedule... I believe the only time set so far is the awards banquet on Saturday night, though I imagine the auctions will probably be Friday and Saturday afternoons. I'll most likely be there each day from Tuesday (frame preparation) through Sunday (exhibit take down) and will be attending the awards banquet.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 365 ) on May-27-07 at 15:23:19 PDT   Listings
Thanks phila-Dave for the photos, nice to put faces to names.
I have met all of the aussies who post here at some time or another, but all before I started posting here.

In 2004 I actually travelled to USA for a month, and had a meeting with chatters I had met on another ebay board. There were about 30 of us, and we took an all day vintage train trip in the mountains of W.Maryland, and then stayed 3 days on a farm in Pa. as guests of one of the chatters. I also met up with ebayers in San Francisco and NYCity. That was a great vacation, my eBay Holiday!

Nice graduation pics io Jim it must be a very rewarding job you do!

Linda
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-27-07 at 14:48:10 PDT   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

I have a 5¢ solo Prexie (airmail use) I'm going to list Sunday evening. Postmarked Oct 3, 1946 -- new airmail rate went into effect Oct 1. Sorry not an Oct 5th!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-27-07 at 14:42:02 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… Also, that postcard was sent five days before the airmail postcard rate changed to 6¢.

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-27-07 at 14:35:39 PDT   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

Glad you like the solo Liberty. I liked the shot of Times Square in 1955!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dove3ducks   ( 469 ) on May-27-07 at 14:29:13 PDT   Listings
Afternoon Folks......Always wondered about that.
Posted by peetah   ( 483 ) on May-27-07 at 13:54:55 PDT   Listings
oops, towards the "let" = left
Posted by peetah   ( 483 ) on May-27-07 at 13:52:46 PDT   Listings
I am under the impression, that while viewing the Newfoundland stamp from the back, the normal direction for the top of the shield to be facing is towards the let. The stamp I have, has the top of the shield at the TOP of the stamp!
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 13:52:26 PDT   Listings
DE66

Same thing happened to me with a 2c Canadian Large Queen forgery, just two days ago. They must be toughening up on this. I wrote the word Forgery on the reverse and showed the reverse with this addition. It is now listed in its new form, I had ebay look at it and they said it was fine. Hope this helps.
Posted by peetah   ( 483 ) on May-27-07 at 13:47:41 PDT   Listings
Newfoundland Looking at the back of Unitrade/Scott #193 (SG #215) the 10 cent Atlantic Salmon, what is the normal direction for the top of the shield watermark to be facing? (SG Watermark #106 Scott Watermark # 224)
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-27-07 at 13:18:54 PDT   Listings
Woke up to yhis from eBay:

Dear de66,

You recently listed the following auction-style listing:

280119217811 - New Zealand imperf forgeries Nice Fillers


The auction-style listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled.



How can i relist them without getting them pulled off eBay?

D1
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-27-07 at 12:30:45 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… I got the lovely 5c Monroe solo usage card Saturday, and it’s a beauty. Thanks!

Jim
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 11:23:28 PDT   Listings
Oh and the rotary you mentioned, had a PSE cert so I took it as being genuine, I will have a second look
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 11:21:52 PDT   Listings
StJohnStamps

Thanks so much, I had the program referring to the incorrect Scotts #, changed to the correct numbers. If you spot anything else please let me know.
Posted by stjohnstamps   ( 852 ) on May-27-07 at 11:12:12 PDT   Listings
in fact the OFFSET even looks like a rotary coil, reperfed at the top and bottom
Posted by stjohnstamps   ( 852 ) on May-27-07 at 11:10:18 PDT   Listings
nice scans on the 3-cent Washinton page however, some misleading info...
(a) scan showing OFFSET is actually 11x10 ROTARY
(b) scan showing BLUE PAPER is perf-10, not blue paper.
otherwise - great!
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 10:50:18 PDT   Listings
I am going to the Portland APS, it would be great to meet others from the board here, for meal, drinks, conversation etc. Anyone want to propose a rendezvous?
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 10:47:06 PDT   Listings
<body>
Here you go, the 3c Washington The guide is really meant for novices, so pardon the fact that it sometimes gets a bit elementary in its approach
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-27-07 at 10:30:52 PDT   Listings
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Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1341 ) on May-27-07 at 09:53:50 PDT   Listings
willderspin
Have you worked up a page for the W-F's 3 centers? I’ve a bag that almost fills a box the size of a paper case to sort. I’ll take suggestions from anyone. :8^ )
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-27-07 at 09:48:03 PDT   Listings
Alec

The guy on the right graduated before the guy on the left was born!!
Posted by infla-alec   ( 534 ) on May-27-07 at 08:49:49 PDT   Listings
IO/Jim Isn't the guy on the right a little old to be graduating ? :-) Which 1890 set and country are you looking for ? I can keep my eyes ope just in case they ever appear. You'd be surprised where I go looking for material. But we won't go into that here :-)

Meeting other board posters I don't think I have ever had the pleasure of meeting anyone in person from this board. Hard I know as so many of us are in different countries etc. However if at all possible I would encourage anyone to try and meet up with others here whenever the chance arises. Many if not most of the guys on the ebay.de board meet up in person several times a year and it really is great to actually get to talk stamps with fellow collectors and sometimes to even see their collections.
I think it's always nicer to be able to put a face and voice to the text you read on the boards.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-27-07 at 08:26:20 PDT   Listings
As promised, some graduation photos from last weekend.

photo 1

photo 2
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-27-07 at 07:37:59 PDT   Listings
220man…I have a Wash-Frank identifier on my page which might also be helpful.

Dave F… Thanks for the pictures! And yes, folks, the weather was lovely, so we ate outside.

I had a very enjoyable time with Dave, Sheryll and Steve. We were together for at least three hours, and the conversation ranged over a very wide variety of issues. Anyone ears burning here, hmmm?

?

Anyway, a very good time was had by all.

Right now I’m listening to classic Stanley Brothers—Little Benny

Ah, the good life…

Jim
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 07:29:47 PDT   Listings
As you state that you doing the 2c W-F's as well, here is the 2c page, as you can see, a little bigger, definitely for masochists
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-27-07 at 07:25:29 PDT   Listings
willderspin: Thanks, I've saved that page. It's a difficult series to handle and it helps to know the best way to separate the big pile into little ones.
Phil
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 07:14:44 PDT   Listings

220 Man


I am putting together an ID helper for all the W-F's, this is the 1c, it gives you an idea of the way I recommend sorting them. I have nearly finished the guide so will add it to the main website soon

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-27-07 at 07:12:36 PDT   Listings
JimI guess eBay are waiting for evidence as to whether the account was hacked or not, maybe laptop was really stolen..........better innocent until proven guilty in this case.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-27-07 at 07:09:26 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Just back from College Park.
Wanted to stop by Bellefonte but ran out of time.

Alec

Yep, compiling your own catalog really highlights those "common" stamps which rarely appear of eBay (if at all). One particular set of stamps from the 1890's I have never seen and they are also not in Mitchell's nor Billsey's collections.

Colin

Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden eggs!!

Juana

Nice to see you posting again.

Dave

Great pictures.

Peter

It's taking eBay rather a long time to institute the NARU.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-27-07 at 07:02:05 PDT   Listings
Willderspin I guess that means the new star rating only applies to those buyers that actually filled it in, in which case it is a compplete waste of time. In the case of the neg buyers I guess one neg said it all, or perhaps if you are going to leave a neg you don't get the option for the ratings?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-27-07 at 06:59:25 PDT   Listings
A late A from the American Asiatic Company. I assume B is now the theme of the week and I would like to show this mini sheet? one from Brighton Congress if anyone can fill in some background and how collectable it is I would be grateful.


Peter


Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-27-07 at 06:55:26 PDT   Listings
Sorting Wash-Franklins Got a pile of 1 and 2-centers to sort. Anyone have a favorite method - sort by perfs first, WM's second?
Phil
Posted by willderspin   ( 663 ) on May-27-07 at 06:43:40 PDT   Listings
I notice on dodgy seller Sonic's detailed seller ratings he gets 4 1/2 stars out of five on everything. What does this say about ebay's new detailed feedback system?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 534 ) on May-27-07 at 03:46:22 PDT   Listings
Juana The Linder product you refer to is expensive and not one I have ever used myself. However I am led to believe it is good for removing what is more commonly known as fox stains from stamps and covers. However I would not think such a thing is any good at removing such stains from mint stamps without also removing the gum.
Sometime ago and I forget where I heard it if you know what chemicals the product is made of you can do exactly the same thing with a home made concoction. But for the life of me I don't know what the chemicals are or in what proportion you make the mixture.
Needless to say don't try anything on any expensive stamp before you know what you are doing. If you do go ahead and buy the product I'm almost certain there will be instructions, but even so to begin with experiment on a cheap stamp first and see what results you get.

If anyone here does happen to know how best to remove fox stains then please do tell all.

Jaywild/ Jim I liked the joke and got it straight away. But it does seem as if many of these self adhesive gummed stamps are damn difficult to soak off. I'm refering to S/A's worldwide.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1341 ) on May-27-07 at 03:45:05 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all


Jim L.

member
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on May-26-07 at 23:44:35 PDT   Listings
No problem using FrontPage for creating a message here Dave, you just have to remember to remove all line breaks before pasting. Most editors are kind enough to put those in to help make things readable, but here they're converted to <br>, which tends to give you many more lines in the final message than you intended. :-(
Posted by philatarium   ( 232 ) on May-26-07 at 22:41:31 PDT   Listings
Sorry. eBay apparently objects to using FrontPage or any kind of html helper. Grrrr ...
Posted by philatarium   ( 232 ) on May-26-07 at 22:40:32 PDT   Listings

re: impromptu EUSC SoCal mtg 5/25/07 mentioned yesterday



picture
of Jim (jaywild), Sheryll & Steve



picture
of Jim, Sheryll & me


I do want to underscore how great it was to get together with these wonderful
people!


I suspect that if more of us could get together in person whenever the
opportunity presents itself, we might all be less quick to offer sharp words
here or on any board.  So I'm all for trying to get as many of us together
at APS Portland as possible!


I must admit, it was a bit surreal at first to be talking with people who had
never met each other, yet knew quite a bit about each other and shared a common
history together.  (For those of you who've been here for a while, you know
...)  Then it was the icing on the cake to actually talk about stamps! 
I don't usually do this except online or at stamp shows, so it was a special
treat.


And Jim was a great host!  Thanks very much, Jim!


Maybe some of us who are local to the greater LA area should try to get
together at Sescal this fall?


-- Dave


Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-26-07 at 21:07:20 PDT   Listings
Juana… I was making a joke. All you need to dissolve the average stamp gum is water, and not the kind you spend $23 a bottle on.

?

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-26-07 at 20:16:46 PDT   Listings
David (DJS),

Hopefully all sons will never have better things to do than collect stamps AND hang out with Dad!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by djs127   ( 588 ) on May-26-07 at 20:07:19 PDT   Listings
Matt,
Yes that was a good deal on the used scott binders.
No I don't have a table at NOJEX. I sublet a part of a table one year at NOJEX but did not do well. I go to NOJEX to buy and look at the exhibits. My son has gone with me since he as a baby in a stroller. Hopefully he will never have better things to do than collect stamps.
David Snyder
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-26-07 at 19:49:11 PDT   Listings
David (DJS),

Good deal on those binders!

Have fun at NOJEX. When I lived in NJ (I was born & raised in Essex County) I attended NOJEX every year. Do you have a table? My son attended stamp shows with me until he turned 14 (he'll be 15 in a few weeks). Now he has "better" things to do!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-26-07 at 19:45:06 PDT   Listings
Sharon,

There are several philatelic literature dealers that sell references for post offices, or you could try:

Jim Forte - Post Offices by State

Matt in Arizona
Posted by djs127   ( 588 ) on May-26-07 at 19:41:25 PDT   Listings
Friday I received this lot I won in the mail 250116462170
Today I already put in Scott pages from 1996-2006 in one binder. Have to organize some of my other US pages for the rest.
Sunday my 13 year old son and I are going to NOJEX show in Secacus New Jersey. See their website: http://www.nojex.org/
for more information.
David Snyder
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 19:39:49 PDT   Listings
By the way..is there a website that lists discontinued post offices??? How does one get that info?
Sharon
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 19:32:10 PDT   Listings
Hi again Matt...so the stamp is common but the cancellation is rare?..Cool. I'll just list away and see what comes of it then. I thought the envelope was unusual ( rare) as it is hand decorated by the artist who sent it.Thanks again
Sharon
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-26-07 at 19:24:51 PDT   Listings
Sharon,

The stamp is very common bu Sticklerville, Missouri is a DPO- Discontinued Post Office and a fairly scarce cancel. Too bad the rest of the cover is in poor shape! But I have seen worse covers sell on eBay!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by ibex94   ( 646 ) on May-26-07 at 19:12:34 PDT   Listings
Thanks, Jay.
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 19:04:50 PDT   Listings
http://usera.imagecave.com/gemdiva93257/1800letterstamp.jpg
Im hoping this one may have some value....tia
Sharon
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-26-07 at 19:02:03 PDT   Listings
Juana… I notice that link you provided also advertises a “stamp gum remover” for $23 a bottle. It’s probably a very complex formulation of di-hydrogen oxide. I use it myself when I want to take gum off stamps. In fact, I use so much of it at home I have it piped in, both hot and cold.

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Jim
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 18:50:05 PDT   Listings
OH MY...if the bank still exists..maybe I have some real $$ LOL..doubtful as it has to be endorsed by the original owner who is long long long gone.
Sharon
Posted by ibex94   ( 646 ) on May-26-07 at 18:40:45 PDT   Listings
Hi all. Does anyone have any experience using ERNI A and B mildew stain remover on stamps? Here's the link where I found mention of it. http://www.lindner-usa.com/catalog/access/62.html

Does it really work? Since its a lindner product I would expect it to work but any experiences you have with those products would be appreciated. I've got lots of mildewed stamps to deal with.

Thanks in advance, Juana
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 365 ) on May-26-07 at 18:37:12 PDT   Listings
I remember back in the early 1980s there was a Huge interest in Share Certificates, etc. and most of the major Auction houses in England held regular Share / Bond / type auctions, and yes, it was the pretty ones that did particularly well, or unusual companies, seems interest died down pretty fast.
I still have a copy of the 1979 book by SG staff members Colin Narbeth and Robin Hendy about collecting Bonds and Paper money !! - and a few Certificates around the house, framed for interests sake!

Linda
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1978 ) on May-26-07 at 18:12:12 PDT   Listings
I'm speculating somewhat, but national banks would probably be a good collectible subcategory. National banks had the ability to issue their own specially-identified banknotes, and those are extremely collectible. Perhaps some of the same folks who collect those would also collect the stock certificates, which judging from a search of the terms "national bank" +(stock,certificate) are usually substantially cheaper than the banknotes.

I also note that the certificate does NOT appear to be cancelled. If it's not, a quick google search on the bank itself may be a good idea. It probably went bust in the depression, but if the bank still exists, or it has a successor, there's a chance you are a stockholder in it!
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 18:01:29 PDT   Listings
Thank You Matt in Arizona..I did some further searching and I suppose it does have to be something really rare and unusual to get a bid..
sharon
Posted by keleofa   ( 3450 ) on May-26-07 at 17:34:17 PDT   Listings
Sharon,

Values of old stock certificates are a hit or miss item on eBay. More famous companies, especially mining and railroads seem to do well. Some people are looking for specific companies while others collect certificates for the finely engraved artwork. I do not know anything specific about yours, though.

This is a search of eBay Collectibles for 'Stock Certificates':

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&catref=C6&from=R10&satitle=stock+certificates&sacat=1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=

Hope this helps. Maybe someone more knowledgeable will come along to help!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 923 ) on May-26-07 at 17:25:12 PDT   Listings
http://usera.imagecave.com/gemdiva93257/stockcerti.jpg
Hi all..the above is a stock certificate for 5 shares of american national bank green city , mo. issued 1-13-25. Valuable? any thing?..or just a piece of worthless paper>? Thanks for any advise..suggestions or condolences..:-)
Sharon
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1341 ) on May-26-07 at 17:22:21 PDT   Listings
member
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-26-07 at 14:21:21 PDT   Listings
Aloha -

I thought I might be sniping vs. Iomoon for this card, Paddington to Zurich 2 November 1898. It will go directly into my exhibit since it is only the second 1898 receiver (of all 11 post offices) I've seen. This canceler was issued on October 24th and returned with all other razor cancelers to deCoppet for repairs on 16 November. So, this was only in use for three weeks in 1898. They weren't returned to the post offices to continue testing until April 1899.

So much for rarity = price! Smiles.

Roger




Posted by xzephyr   ( 981 ) on May-26-07 at 13:26:54 PDT   Listings
IO Jim and other Machin enthusiasts

So it is now 40 years since the Machins first appeared. Guess what Royal Mail is producing to part us from our hard earned cash!

The S/S

A press sheet of 12 S/S!

and a generic sheet.

If you buy one of everything Royal Mail wants to sell you relating to the 40th anniv of the Machin stamps, it will set you back about £250!

Colin the disillusioned.

It just might be worth putting a few of the SS away for a few years.

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3627 ) on May-26-07 at 11:42:50 PDT   Listings

jay-jim - and likely all I have to do is pay for shipping and a sight handling charge.

A is for AARDVARK and it is not even Texan.

Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-26-07 at 10:58:49 PDT   Listings
Jeff S… There was a slight mistake in that sweepstakes email to you. What you won was 1,500,000 pounds—of kitty litter. Included is a map where you can go and dig it up.

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Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-26-07 at 10:38:27 PDT   Listings
saphilatelics, thanks, it seems, the vacation there will be "nature" only..., lets see to which city my sister-in-law will move, maybe a neighboring state has something to offer...
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-26-07 at 10:20:00 PDT   Listings
infla-alec Yes. Good points. Just imagine if catalogue editors dared to use eBay stamp sales as a descriptor of market value and NOT the dealer network Scott, for instance, claims to use as "reliable". I wonder what would happen?

After all, aren't most sales conducted here on eBay and not through a local dealer. Stands to reason for there is only one stamp store here and his prices are very high. He doesn't even own a computer and claims eBay is too expensive. I'm quite sure his rent is more than he would ever cough up on this venue.

Regarding catalogue prices. I see them as relative to each other. For example, if the 1c value of a given set is 20c and the $5.00 value is $200.00, that price tells me the $5.00 value MAY be 1,000x more diffucult to obtain in the same condition as the 1c value. There is a relationship that could be used as a guideline regardless of price or catalogue.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 439 ) on May-26-07 at 10:02:26 PDT   Listings
22028
unfortunately, Utah is, both biogeographically and philatelistically, a desert. There used to be a single stamp dealer in the Cottonwood mall in SLC, he has recently relocated to somewhere in the Sugarhouse area of SLC, I'll be happy to look up his address for you, but I do not highly recommend him unless you are interested in US material or supplies, as he does not carry much of anything else. I mainly used to go there for supplies, as he did not carry much in my area of interest (German States).
Posted by philatarium   ( 232 ) on May-26-07 at 09:33:30 PDT   Listings
It was indeed a great pleasure to meet Sheryll and Steve and Jim. What nice people!!!

I will post a pic later. I have to resize it and then upload it -- skills I haven't used in years. But first I have to be gone most of today. Hopefully I'll be able to get the technical stuff to work this evening, or, worst case, tomorrow evening.

-- Dave
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Posted by infla-alec   ( 534 ) on May-26-07 at 07:38:07 PDT   Listings
Phil I accept and agree that specialists will always know the true market value of items, irrespective of what any catalogue states the value to be.
For sure the areas you follow are very much sought after and in such condition the demand far exceeeds the supply. So it's no wonder some areas will achieve above or near catalogue values.
The point I was trying to make is that too often the prices in all the main catalogues do not give a true market value. Yet at the same time many claim that those prices are close to what one can expect to pay on the open market. Maybe ebay has changed the way many collectors add to their collections. In that they no longer rely solely on the local dealer having the set / stamp he needs and having to buy at full cat price.

I'm also sure that many of the world wide collectors here can confirm that many of the so called, "cheaper" stamps are hardly ever found and many would gladly pay full cat to obtain a copy. Jim's Volcano search alone is one perfect example. Though I'm not sure Jim would like to have to pay full cat for those he is missing :-)

Like most collectors I probably have hundreds of the common stamps lying around, stuffed into stockbooks, album pages etc with no intention of ever really sorting them. One day they may end up on ebay or in some local auction and then some other guy can have the pleasure of sorting etc. I would never describe such stamps as worthless because I often see such accumulations sell very well. So someone somewhere must love having such things.

The other thing that does make me wonder sometimes is how the various catalogues can have such varying price opinions. For example SG may say GB #1 is worth £120 used. Yet Scott and Michel will give prices often way under or way above the same stamp. The value quoted is not a real one but just used to make the point. So no need for anyone to post in here pointing out the 1d blacks true value.

One of the biggest factors I feel that is driving up the price of better stamps and postal history is the sheer increase in the number of collectors wishing to specialize and also those participating in exhibiting. Though exhibiting is another topic all together.


Posted by w.parsec   ( 0 )   on May-26-07 at 07:17:15 PDT   Listings
Hello. Does everybody be happy?
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-26-07 at 07:12:40 PDT   Listings
stamps12345I think I busted their nut?

Where I come from that means working real hard and making a lot of money which I seriously doubt your crew does.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-26-07 at 07:05:10 PDT   Listings
infla-alec You wrote among other things, "Hardly anyone ever pays the full catalogue price anyway so how some can say their pricing is a market value price is a joke. Yes dealers love to state 50% cat' price etc but even at 50% such prices are often nowhere near a true market value".

I follow high bid prices on eBay for my specialties, Russia MNH and British King George Sixth MNH very closely. In many instances MNH sets sell for a minimum of 60% Scott and higher with MNH Russia from the classic period (1925-1955 or so) sometimes fetching 2-3x Scott HERE ON EBAY as this sort of material is not readily found.

If it's U.S. you are referring to, that's a different animal entirely.

Phil
Posted by dbenson   ( 8233 ) on May-26-07 at 06:43:34 PDT   Listings
Paul,

the meaning of " worthless stamp " has nothing to do with the catalogue value, it means that the stamp has no philatelic merit and can be replaced very easily. There are many items with minimum catalogue value that are extremely difficult to obtain and no one would call them worthless,

David B.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1341 ) on May-26-07 at 04:18:38 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all


In keeping with the "People and/or places" theme here’s another precancel cover from
Anderson, Indiana.

Jim L.

member
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-26-07 at 03:05:09 PDT   Listings
In areas of my interest i hardly need any catalogue..., prices are as per offer and demand. I just discovered a few items which are basically never offered. In order to get it, make a very high bid, irrespective of catalogue value and hope...
Posted by dbenson   ( 8233 ) on May-26-07 at 02:49:32 PDT   Listings