eBay Chat: Stamps

eBay chatboard archive: May-28-07 to Jun-03-07 week

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 23:14:30 PDT

riversniper, if your blocks of Israel look like this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Israel-Sc-31-32-1949-UPU-Issue-Cplt-Mint-NH_W0QQitemZ190118324621QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3491QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

contact one of the major auction houses that specialises in Israeli stamps and tell them what you have, they will advise you what to do.

I presume you mean a block of 100 and a block of 78 not 100 sheets and 79 sheets. it is only the bottom row that is worth any money and it has to have the full margin with the inscription on it as well as that extra bit of blank paper at the bottom.

David B.

Posted by bjornmu ( 925

) on Jun-03-07 at 22:52:43 PDT

Riversniper, I don't know much about Isreali stamps either, but looked it up in my Asia catalogue from 1994. Loks like you've having sheets of the UPU anniversary stamps which were issued in March 1950, even though the anniversary was in 1949. 40 pruta purple and 80 pruta red, showing a deer and parts of a globe.

I don't know current values, or how sheet values compare to singles and catalogue prices, but I think they would be worth 25-50c per stamp, possibly more. Much more ($10-$20 or more) for a stamp with tabs, that is a stamp-size label under the stamp, in this case showing a globe with the letters UPU.

NB as said I know little of Israeli stamps....

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 21:18:43 PDT

Anne… We had to put our very old cat to sleep almost exactly a year ago. (In fact, the anniversary was the day I met Sheryl and Steve and Dave F. for lunch, and Sheryl astounded me by remembering that it was the anniversary.) The cat was very sick for perhaps three weeks, and the worst part was the pathetic attempts he kept making to get outside. When the end is near all cats prefer to go away somewhere and die by themselves. He even struggled to jump out one of the windows in my place, on the second floor. When the time came he acquiesced peacefully to the final trip to the vet. I have to say I cried like a baby.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 20:25:37 PDT

Dunc,

this matter should be brought up again at the next meeting by our APS rep. and see what happens.

I am not sure if it is true that Ebay didn't listen to APS or viceversa, it doesn't really matter, the system should be worldwide, the British & German system is best,

As long as the word Forgery is clearly listed in the title & description it can be listed without any problems, that's the way it should be, full stop.

David B.

David B.

Posted by riversniper ( 75

) on Jun-03-07 at 20:14:47 PDT

abt1950, I will do that, thank you so much for your time, I will check back. Some of the sheets are kinda stuck to each other they must have been in the box for at least 50 years, the stamp sheets in the middle look like they came hot off the press. thanks again

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 120

) on Jun-03-07 at 20:06:42 PDT

David, the APS cannot force their will on eBay, and it would make sense for the APS to want stamp sales to take place under rules that are already familiar to them.

But remember, at the time when the alliance was formed, there were persistent bad sellers on eBay whose sales were allowed at the time - one Bad Boy in particular that the APS had battled in the past, and we're talking Power Sellers with significant (but disgusting) careers. The APS rules for selling through their StampStore were in place, and they even got eBay to include a reference to the APS Code of Ethics on the eBay page of rules for selling stamps, but on the topic of selling modern forgeries, eBay wouldn't budge.

By now, eBay should be seeing early results of the efforts to clean up the Stamps category, and it's reasonable to suggest that higher standards are not hurting their sales, the bottom line that matters to eBay.

Better days ahead, I would think, as eBay discovers that ethics are important and that the APS and the Stamps Community Watch committee are helpful partners whose knowledge is invaluable.

They are, however, failing to respect your frequent input, David, the biggest flaw in the system that I see right now, a very unfortunate circumstance. They really should be seeking you out for advice, and instead it almost seems like you are being shut out - if they (whoever "they" are) would just check your track record for accurate reporting of fraudulent auctions, they'd realize that you could be a very helpful partner.

As people cycle in and out of the SCW, I've been delighted to see who some of the earlier members were. David, maybe you'll be in there when they hit their peak!

-Dunc

Posted by abt1950 ( 227

)

on Jun-03-07 at 19:59:37 PDT

riversniper: Welcome to the stamp board. I don't know much about Israeli stamps, but eventually someone will be here who can answer your question. Keep checking back and if no one answers after a day or so, just ask again.

jaywild, paperhistory: Thanks for the sympathy. Life has sure been interesting around here. My son (who's an EMT) thinks he suffered a mild concussion, but he's ok now and doesn't have much in the way of visible bruises.

The dog had been sick a long time, and we would have had to put him down fairly soon. We still have our younger dog, who is now assuming some of the duties and idiosyncracies of the older one.

David: I'm talking about forgeries and fakes made out of whole cloth, not preexisting items that have been doctored to make them appear to be what they're not. The two categories are not at all the same.

Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of better weekends, fighting forgery, and annihilating misleading philatelic alterations. Anne

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 19:03:47 PDT

Dunc., I am not blaming the APS, I am blaming the various individuals of the APS who did not have the philatelic commonsense at the time and have not done anything about changing it to make it better,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 18:52:33 PDT

dunc., and could you explain why the APS ban them from their own site but won't ban them when they are reported on Ebay,

David B.

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 18:47:20 PDT

dcderoo… Nice stamps, especially the imperf 70-cent revenue. I have been neglecting my revenue collection—too many other avenues to pursue.

Jim

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 120

) on Jun-03-07 at 18:45:14 PDT

Re: Fakes and forgeries

Anne said, "...the 'mark the back' policy. It seemed like a good idea at the time, at least for the modern computer drek..."

That was true then and still true now. Ask yourself if you are really ready to go back to the day when sellers offered modern computer printed fakes unmarked in any way, when even if they were properly described you could watch the buyers' auctions and find the same bogus items returning to eBay salted into bulk lots or offered "as is".

The problem we see today, making it difficult to buy or sell the "classic" forgeries, can be blamed on two groups - 1) the producers of the modern computer generated junk who flooded the eBay listings with their crap, and 2) eBay, who cannot distinguish the modern junk from the classics. And it's NOT the fault of the APS, they do not allow the sale of the modern junk through their own APS StampStore, the common sense solution, and the solution eBay should adopt.

It's quite likely as more and more of the chronic bad sellers in the Stamps category on eBay get weeded out, that they will be able to better address the issue of how to sell the Speratis and other older items. It just would've been too overwhelming when the APS/eBay alliance first started, they are still having difficulties with worldwide stamps, give it a little more time. Meanwhile, sometimes common sense does prevail and the oldies do find their way through the existing system.

I'd love to take this discussion further, but the next step would be to explore the latest techniques being employed by the fakers, and that's best left to private e-mail, rather than providing online tips on how to run the latest scams.

While we're making progress, the scammers are also improving their methods, so be very careful because everything is not always as it seems.

Consider, too, that the best scams are those that go undetected!

I'm just saying...

-Dunc

Posted by riversniper ( 75

) on Jun-03-07 at 18:24:56 PDT

I dont know a thing about stamps, I just want that said right off the bat. I bought 6 sealed cardboard boxes at a estate sale for 50.00 dollars a boxes in one of the boxes were two sets of stamps, when I say sets I dont know what to call them. one set had 100 sheets of 1949 Israel stamps depicting a jumping deer or stagg the color is a kinda rose the other set had 78 sheets with the same stagg or deer but the color is a purple. I am looking at them now a small star is also on the stamps are they worth anything. thank you for your time.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1981

)

on Jun-03-07 at 18:20:39 PDT

Anne: yikes. I'll pass on that kind of "fun"!

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:43:02 PDT

Anne, a tiny FAUX on the back has nothing to do with whether it has gum or not, I doubt if any forgery collector would care less if there was any gum or not, the problem is that items are being ruined by applying the marking in " indelible ink " or large rubber handstamps just because that is the way that Ebay.US dictates.

David B.

Posted by abt1950 ( 227

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:34:05 PDT

David, You're right of course. The prolem with a large organization such as eBay is that it's very difficult to get them focused on nuances, especially if the major philatelic organization in the US advocates a less nuanced approach. Frankly, a tiny "faux" stamp on the back of an obvious forgery, classic or not, doesn't bother me too much, but then I'm not a pristine gum fanatic either. But there seems to be too much blunt force trauma in eBay's current approach.

Anne

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:26:22 PDT

Anne… Jeez, hard luck. I’m hoping your son wasn’t too badly roughed up. People sure can be jerks. You let them into a party where they weren’t invited, so they cause trouble then beat the host up when asked to leave. Some world we live in.

Sorry also to hear about your dog. I can really sympathize.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:20:46 PDT

David Snyder… I think you’ve been taken here.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:16:39 PDT

Anne, what happened in the past is over, it is the future that is important. Whenever this is mentioned to Ebay or to the APS they also keep mentioning the past. A lot has happened since and Ebay and the APS should be thinking in 2007 terms and how to handle the problem instead of the machine gun approach and cancel all lots which they find (or someone finds for them and dobs them in for the fun of it),

David B.

Posted by abt1950 ( 227

)

on Jun-03-07 at 17:02:27 PDT

Evening/afternoon/evening from a wet and dreary NJ. 'Tis been a fun weekend, with only a little of the fun being philatelic.

On Saturday night The Offspring had a party for a friend who just finished basic training. It got rather out of hand and a lot of people he didn't know and didn't invite showed up. After the broken botle of vodka left on the bathroom floor by a couple of floozies and the generally too loud and too crowded ambience, my husband and I threatened to call the cops if most of them didn't leave. We got attitude, and later that evening, a couple of the unknown guests jumped The Offspring and beat him up. No more parties for him.

On the other hand, it was better than last weekend. Our 12 1/2 year old dog died. Ain't life fun?

At any rate, the forgery discussion is bringing back memories of the battles of a few years ago, when Addie et al were hawking their "creations." As billsey pointed out, many of us--myself included--were advocating the "mark the back" policy. It seemed like a good idea at the time, at least for the modern computer drek and the truly obvious stuff. Having read more about disagreements between expertizers, I'm not so sure. The controversy over the Grinnells is a case in point, albeit a very famous one.

kathmoon: The covers sound interesting. I don't think there's as much interest in Farouk covers as Fouad, but nonetheless there's some. Can you upload them to your AOL webspace via FTP? BTW, I'm also at AOL. I'll email you.

Anne

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 16:55:38 PDT

Ken,

the basic problem is the real definition of what Ebay & the APS call a forgery. We all know what Classical Philatelic forgeries and of course they should be allowed to be sold on Ebay with a correct description of what they are and in the correct country listing without any handstamps added however as Ebay was advised by the APS they also included those with regummed, reperfed, replicas, cleaned, fake cancels, trimmed and hundreds of other types of items that had been altered from it's original state to appear to be something it isn't. Ebay hasn't got the manpower or brainpower to tell the difference between a Spiro, Fournier and a photocopy they are all the same to the them and the APS should have enough brains to appoint a proper Watch Group that can tell the difference. Luckily as you say, the British & German Ebay have more sense and the managers of Stamps have handled the problem better.

It appears that there has been a pow wow between Ebay.Australia & the Australian Stamp Dealers Association to organise a watch group on Australian listings and I will make enquiries if this includes philatelic forgeries being allowed to be listed without hindrance. You can also enquire to Ebay.Canada as the US jurisdiction of material is only for material listed on Ebay.US or available to the US,

David B.

Posted by djs127 ( 589

)

on Jun-03-07 at 16:43:03 PDT

I was emailed by this seller of this auction or should I say lottery? Incredible 23 Vol. Scott International Album Collection Once in a Lifetime Oppurtunity... Read Details... Item number: 260125219308
I gave him a dollar. What do others think of this?
David Snyder

Posted by kenpossum ( 923

)

on Jun-03-07 at 16:25:34 PDT

Fakes and forgeries Anyone can circumvent eBays rules for listing forgeries by a little creative wording. "Unauthorized reproduction", "spurious", "might be a forgery?", "probably not genuine" etc. The list is long. If the good readers here all know how to do it, you can bet the bad sellers have figured it out as well. The intentions of the APS and eBay were ... good, but not thought out well, ... short lived, .. easily circumvented to now being useless," Seems to me, the situation when forgeries were described correctly and allowed to be monitored was a better scenerio than today when the same volume of forgeries are for sale, but scattered thoughout eBay and a lot harder to locate and monitor. The Europeans have it right. Take note APS.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jun-03-07 at 16:10:11 PDT

BILL C. Here is something for your files ,it is Belgium Q7 .....its a counterfeit and a original . comparison of Belgium Q 7 .....paul

Posted by mini*lindy ( 374

)

on Jun-03-07 at 15:31:20 PDT

Good morning from a cold but dry Melbourne,
New spoof email from Paypal, my account has been blocked for security reasons...
now if the spoofers could just learn to spell they may (just may) be a little more convincing!!!! [or NOT]

Regards,
PayPal Security Departament

Linda

off to work

Posted by dcderoo ( 1665

) on Jun-03-07 at 15:10:05 PDT

Back from NAPEX. Here's what I bought:

85B (with cert)
R55b
R65a (with cert)

Posted by prochute ( 67

) on Jun-03-07 at 14:59:27 PDT

Forgeries, fakes. etc. The way I see listing a spurious stamp is by naming the maker. Information abounds as to Spiro Bros, Fournier, Sperati and other less well known forgers.

If the seller would do a little homework and know who the forger was, the very name in the title and description should suffice rather than using the word "forgery", counterfeit, reprint, and so forth. Ebay must have a spider that will find certain words and delete the auction. Just my 2¢ worth.

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 14:23:09 PDT

Matt in AZ… Also, all 5 bars of the killer did not always show. The example in the Primer shows only 3 bars that printed.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 14:21:32 PDT

Matt in AZ… It’s a Perfection Type 2, as defined in the “Machine Cancel Primer” of the MCS, featuring five solid horizontal bars. No info on scarcity or value however. It’s a later use, but not latest, which was 1923. While the canceling was done mechanically, there was no mechanical feeder for Perfection machines, so they are frequently off-aligned.

Jim

Posted by keleofa ( 3460

)

on Jun-03-07 at 13:48:13 PDT

Jim (Jaywild),

Thanks re: Barr-Fyke

Need help with this postmark:

Beardstown, Illinois 25 Sep 1906

I picked up this postcard with an unusual cancel. I'm assuming it was pulled (or inserted) in at an angle. It appears to have 4 killer bars, no year slug showing. It looks like a machine cancel but could possibly be a steel hand stamp.

Has similar features to Hampden and Perfection machines.

Any ideas?

Matt in Arizona

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 13:23:46 PDT

moths = months. That’s the problem with a spell-checker—if the misspelling is also a word it doesn’t catch it.

Posted by jaywild ( 947

)

on Jun-03-07 at 13:22:19 PDT

Matt in AZ… Your Barr-Fyke receiver was only used for about six moths. It is known with and without the two-digit year slug. Yours doesn’t seem to have the year. Congratulations on a very nice find!

Knuden... Congrats to you too. I would never have known that was a C.O.D.

Jim

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jun-03-07 at 12:52:43 PDT

e-mail sellers s/b e-bay sellers

Posted by malolo ( 841

)

on Jun-03-07 at 12:50:03 PDT

Knuden -
Nice! It's my understanding that publishers often mailed their magazines, monthly newspapers, etc., out to advertisers as proof that the advertisement appeared in the publication. Instead of a separate postcard asking for the money, they had the post clerk collect the money on delivery. It sort of worked like - you pay the mailman to see if your ad is in the publication.

Roger

Posted by knuden ( 2283

)

on Jun-03-07 at 12:19:49 PDT

A lucky find! Postal wrapper sent as Cash on Delivery. :O)

K.E

Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !! :O)

Posted by keleofa ( 3460

)

on Jun-03-07 at 12:01:25 PDT

Barr-Fyke...

Pulled this out of a dealer's $1.00 box at Sunday's Phoenix Stamp Bourse:

St. Louis-RECEIVED (Barr-Fyke Machine) - 28 March 1899

Front-Weatherford, Texas

This is a scarce machine marking and I was very lucky to find it!

Matt in Arizona

Posted by infla-alec ( 540

)

on Jun-03-07 at 11:33:30 PDT

Wilderspin I appreciate your frustration with ebay pulling your auctions but I wonder really wether the Royal will actually need your donation ? I was under the impression that their forgery refrence collection is already quite extensive.
The comment about German forgeries is of particular interest to me of course. Forged examples are permitted to be listed in ebay.de providing of course you clearly state they are forgeries in your description. I don't believe they require any such stupid rule as they have to be clearly marked as such front and back etc. There at least it seems thay are taking the sensible approach to stamp listings. By that I mean items that are not described as such and are obvious forgeries are pulled without question.It matters not if the seller is a power seller or professional dealer or just a part time amateur. This is done by a small group of collectors who have ebay's authority to act. They also have the backing of many experts from the German expertizers known as the BPP who will state why something is without doubt a forgery in many cases. Though of course not revealing all their secrets otherwise the forgers will know what to try and alter.

I wonder why if it can be done there then other ebay sites can't follow suit ?

A little common sense is all that is being asked. Sure we don't want to see innocent bidders cheated but I fear ebay's English speaking sites will continually earn themselves a bad reputation until such time as action is taken.

Posted by kenpossum ( 923

)

on Jun-03-07 at 10:36:25 PDT

billsey You are absolutely correct. The APS took a shotgun approach to handling minor problems such as Adtinvest and ignored or fed a much greater monster. At one time, common forgeries and classics were openly sold on eBay by a host of responsible sellers. Now, these sellers are being harassed by the APS and eBay, and many have chosen other outlets to sell their forgeries. Many sellers still sell their forgeries, but not openly. They simply don't use the word FORGERY in their description. Specialists and advanced collectors can separate the 'wheat from the chaff" but most buyers can not. As a result, many buyers buy forgeries not described as such. Did this happen in the past? Sure it did, but not anywhere near the degree it happens now. Is there a problem with this picture? One would think the APS exec and eBay admin would figure it out, but I don't give them much credit in that dept. yes, the problem is worse now than before, but ... we are safe from Adtinvest's computer creations.

Posted by billsey ( 846

) on Jun-03-07 at 09:42:04 PDT

I wonder how many remember that WE were the ones who got the current forgery policy implemented by trying to react to the Florida forgeries a couple of years ago. We really can't expect eBay to be able to differentiate between collectible classic forgeries and current material cranked out of a computer with a color printer. I prefer the current situation where classics can sometimes sneak through 'under the radar' or can be sold in other venues, but we're not inundated with the dregs.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 77

)

on Jun-03-07 at 09:07:15 PDT

Bill that's one hell of a pane of stamps. We should run a sweep on the final price.
Peter

Posted by claghorn1p ( 410

)

on Jun-03-07 at 07:56:39 PDT

D2 Occasionally something special comes along to claim attention.

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Posted by willderspin ( 683

) on Jun-03-07 at 07:12:03 PDT

I meant on 'three' occasions

Posted by willderspin ( 683

) on Jun-03-07 at 07:11:20 PDT

I have had it up to the gills with ebay and their forgery policy. On there occassions I have had valuable reference forgeries pulled by ebay, in the latest instance I got it put back due to my temporary Power Seller status. But I have had enough, in future I will be donating all my rare forgeries to the RPS (of which I am member, hence the choice) and forget sharing it amongst the philatelic community. As I speak I am shoving a whole collection of German forgeries in a packet to London.

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-03-07 at 06:24:21 PDT

Ken, I feel exactly the same way about it as you do but the representatives of the APS that originally advised Ebay.US didn't and as there is no one in charge of stamps at Ebay.US then there is no one who would have the slightest knowledge that there is even a problem about the method they are using. The only way to overcome it is to use Philatelic commonsense and bring the matter up at an APS meeting and try to get them to realise they are potentially detroying rare philatelic items because of the ruling. I personally doubt this will happen as the APS does not see Ebay as an important aspect and it is something that has to be worked around such as my suggestion the other day to a member to list the item on another Ebay site without the US included as it only affects the item if the material is listed on Ebay.US or available to Ebay.US,

David B.

Posted by dcderoo ( 1665

) on Jun-03-07 at 06:13:28 PDT

bjornmu, your postal cards looks to be H&G #2 which means it was issued in 1879.

Posted by kenpossum ( 923

)

on Jun-03-07 at 05:45:31 PDT

Pardon the typos. Is it against US or Canadian law to own, sell, buy forgeries? (Reproductions often made to defraud the collector) NO NO NO It is not illegal, and David, Heidi or whomever needs to get this message and pass it on. the APS exec. knows better than to suggest it is to eBay. If is was illegal, all the philatelic societies in the world who have forgery reference collections would be destroying them. That is not going to happen is it? Is it against the law to own, sell or but Postal counterfeits? The answer is YES NO. Yes, if you have 100,000 sheets of any stamp issue still valid for postage, NO if you have small quantities (singles, blocks, even a single sheet) that you have for REFERENCE purposes. The federal govt. will not prosecute for small quantities of legetimate reference items. It is time the APS and eBay stop the fear mongering, and get it right. Experts need to obtain all of these reference items - philatelic and postal counterfeits to do their job (expert committees, publishing etc.) The current policy and practice of the APS and eBay in this area is causing problems for us experts. I recently bid on a Canada 2c Large Queen Spiro forgery on laid paper which I needed as an item to illustrate in a future reference on Canadian forgeries. Thanks to the APS and eBay, the item was pulled before the auction ended. Well, APS and eBay that was helpful. Protecting the philatelic community are we? How and the H_LL do the APS expert committee members build their reference collections? (I was able to obtain the Spiro later on, but no thanks to the APS and eBay.) Ken Pugh

Posted by kenpossum ( 923

)

on Jun-03-07 at 05:29:49 PDT

Debate? Come on .. sock it to me. The origin of the problem may be a result on the US philatelic community confusing the term forgery with counterfeit. The US federal govt. has it right. Counterfeit as ORIGINALLY defined way back in Britain in the mid 1800's was reserved for those reproductions (stamps, coins) that were intended to deceive and take funds away from the government. The UK, US and most other countries made laws to prevent this from happening. These laws on counterfeiting are that basis of eBay's policy etc. Another term - FORGERY was devised to differientiate those reproductions made not to deceive the govt, but the collector. Still a nasty item, but usually not treated that same way (and severity) in the courts (ie. criminal vs civil). To define further we have postal and counterfeits, philatelic counterfeits. The difference lies with intent. There is a difference between manufacturing 10,000 sheets of the current definitive issue, and a colletor making one inverted Seaway issue and sending it to a friend in the mail. The govt will not prosecute the collector no matter what the letter of the law states. Intent vs letter of the law. The problem is that the APS and eBay has not really sorted all of the above out when devising policy in this area, and communication to eBay clients. They need to. Just the start of a debate friends. Ken Pugh

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3647

)

on Jun-03-07 at 05:26:19 PDT

dang storm

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3647

)

on Jun-03-07 at 05:24:30 PDT

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Posted by kenpossum ( 923

)

on Jun-03-07 at 05:15:24 PDT

Hello Everyone concerned with the topic "to mark or not to mark the back of a forgery or fake - that is the question." This is a problem that requires serious debate, and if at all possible, debate with those in eBay and the APS that can change what I believe is the most dangerious policy that eBay has put forth since I have been active with eBay. As an expert in Canadian forgeries, I see this policy as having more negatives than positives, and would welcome debate here. David? Heidi? Who on eBay has the knowledge to debate this? The APS executive? Who listens? Who has experience in this area? Who can discuss this topic BEYOND the incorrect "U.S. federal laws strictly prohibit the sale of counterfiet stamps .. blah, blah, blah) Ken Pugh (kenpossum)

Posted by rolyrj ( 4 ) on Jun-03-07 at 03:50:31 PDT

Thanks for the heads up David. I see where you are coming from. Hmmm with 5000+ Uiversals in my stock books..... Will fill in the winter evenings quite nicely me thinks :)
Cheers

Roly

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1344

)

on Jun-03-07 at 03:32:07 PDT

Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

Charles(chaswilly)
My sympathies on the death of your mom.

Jim L.

member

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jun-03-07 at 03:16:24 PDT

Charles Condolences on your lost of a parent.

You must be as proud of your son as im of my daughter for their accomplishment in academic studies .

O n the subject of career choice ,I ve traded in the financial markets and done accountant for 23 years so being outside and doing asphalt work is a joy.Never looked at it as being stuck in a job ,there is always a desk job if I chose to go back into the city to work .But physical work and being outside is a "better job ".....off to work 5:18 sunday ,will being attending the church of the blue sky ....paul

Posted by cwhutch ( 656

)

on Jun-03-07 at 02:25:06 PDT

Good morning.

Hutch

Posted by bjornmu ( 925

) on Jun-03-07 at 01:43:06 PDT

Lindy, I've been down under twice. One thing I did notice was that I several times found myself walking down a street in the wrong direction, I seemed to have "flipped" the map in my head. My guess is that I was unconciously orienting myself by the sun, assuming it was in the south. I also got a little suprise one evening in Hobart, when I saw the familiar constellation of Orion in the sky, but it was upside down! And when taking the train (west) from Sydney to Katoomba in the late morning, I naturally sat down on the right side to avoid the sunshine. Wrong side! :-)

Speaking of which, can anyone tell me when this WA stationary postcard was issued? I want to make sure the year cannot me 88. If it must be 98, there's something funny about the 9.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 374

)

on Jun-03-07 at 01:04:07 PDT

bjorn make a trip 'downunder' to where we live and those unusual cancels may look ok to you!
:o)

Posted by bjornmu ( 925

) on Jun-03-07 at 00:29:57 PDT

Roly, interesting cancel, I suppose there's no chance this is very very late usage? I have many "future" cancels of course, the latest being from the year 9961. :-) Though I may also have 9981.

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-02-07 at 22:34:33 PDT

D1,

she's on my team, should be an exciting time for both of us,

David B.

Posted by de66 ( 1085

) on Jun-02-07 at 21:56:50 PDT

Got my W's and my V's all cocked up

Posted by de66 ( 1085

) on Jun-02-07 at 21:55:52 PDT

D2

I heard on the grape vine the police were about to arrest the guy who has been ovverprinting BCOF on cheep oz stamps and selling them on ebay for quite a while.

Been chatting to Scott wia email and organised a coffee in Sydney in a couple of weeks.

Just come back from the Qld Thematics meeting [6 present] had to drop my two exhibits off to the short judge up here.

will not be at the show till Thurs night as i have a bunch of family to see in Sydney for a few days before the show.

D1

Posted by chaswilly ( 1630

) on Jun-02-07 at 21:19:15 PDT

stamps123456789 Paul, that's really scary! My youngest son is a grad assistant at MSU (Missouri State Univ) in Springfield, MO. He's a cellular and molecular bioligist - got 9 more hours for his Masters - He's teaching Anatomy with real cadavers - makes me puke - but he's really into it. He's up for a staff job next year. I like the GA thingy - he's actually making his own way. Gotta beat trucking or paving parking lots, doesn't it? By the way, my mom passed away this last week. Put her in the ground on Wed. last. Charles.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1981

)

on Jun-02-07 at 21:00:24 PDT

Matt: they certainly are. I'll take it! [Cleveland APS show was '99].

Cavs [Cleveland's basketball team] also just clinched their spot in the finals. I'm actually in my office right now and can hear the crowds downtown. Actually going to stay for a while longer and hope it dies down a little bit before going home.

[and yes, I'm crazy. I work a few hours late on Saturdays so I don't miss daytime hours with my kids].

Posted by keleofa ( 3460

)

on Jun-02-07 at 20:20:58 PDT

Matt in Ohio,

Thanks re: Rushsylvania

The Indians are looking good this year. I still have my Indians baseball cap from 1998(?) (APS Show) in Cleveland.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-02-07 at 20:16:16 PDT

Roly, have you any other examples of that town cancel used in either period, 1903 or 1930,

David B.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1981

)

on Jun-02-07 at 20:13:54 PDT

Matt in AZ: typo in your reference (presumably Helbock?). Rushsylvania opened in 1836. Discontinued 1837, reestablished 1838, still operates. It may well be a star killer; it's clearly a rubber-stamp marking provided by a private vendor and those frequently have stars.

Posted by dbenson ( 8273

)

on Jun-02-07 at 20:04:55 PDT

D1,

didja read the Letters to the Editor in Nape, waiting for the feedback on the comment I made about synopises, synopsi, whatever, I think I may have tread on someones toes on that one, hopefully it will be discussed at the Nape meeting in Sydney in two weeks.

You should know Scott, he used to be a regular here but gave it away. He gave a display 2 weeks ago at the Chatswood meeting of the PSNSW, he showed repairs to 1d. Blacks & Reds, some very nice material.

Talking about OZ Chat, there was a very interesting remark yesterday about a meeting between Ebay.OZ and reps. of the Australian Stamp Dealers Association regarding a watch group, looks like it is under discussion and if it goes through then they will be checking on those fake OS perfs. & overprints that have been rife here lately.

David B.

Posted by rolyrj ( 4 ) on Jun-02-07 at 19:23:14 PDT

Back to the future?

Woo hoo thanks to an unattentive moment at the post office 104 years ago (or was it a dyslexic moment?) I can now buy myself a number of "lattes" at the local coffee shop !!

THIS STAMP should have been franked as "15 JL 1903" but in fact is franked as "15 JL 1930" 27years into the future at that time.

The block also contains a rather nice sxample of a re-entry as well thus positioning this block, centered around the re-entry, at stamp 21 along Row 6 in a sheet of 240 stamps made up of 10 rows of 24. The block is also printed on Cowan paper with W7 watermark from a Plate 2 printing just to be complete [and pedantic :)]

Thank you Mr Postmaster....

Cheers

Roly

Posted by de66 ( 1085

) on Jun-02-07 at 19:12:10 PDT

D2

Thought that would make you grin. Whats life all about if you can't have some fun! Wait till the next Stamp News.

This ozchat has evan got me chatting revenues! I finally found a buddy.

D1

Posted by keleofa ( 3460

)

on Jun-02-07 at 19:08:32 PDT

Ohio Postal History Question...

Postmarked Rushsylvania, Ohio, 1870s (stamp seems to be a blue-green 158, maybe a 184).

My Ohio post office reference doesn't have a Rushsylvania post office in service until 1936, in Logan County.

Also, fancy killer looks star-like. Any info on this fancy cancel? I was unable to locate it my Doane-Thompson reference or Herst-Sampson Catalog.

T I A,

Matt in Arizona

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jun-02-07 at 16:55:52 PDT

LIFE IS GOOD Working my butt off -------Oldest daughter was given a new job in the military ,and she likes it . Youngest daughter was admitted to the College of Molecular and Cellular Bioliogy ,she is sapping DNA and getting research money for it .Wife is waiting for the bank to put her early retirement package together .

As for me Im blessed with more work at higher prices than ever before ,but there will come a day when the snow falls and Im off to a major stamp auction and work will cease and then it will be "STAMP TIME".....off to bed ,Sunday we start another 12 hour work day ....paul

Posted by billsey ( 846

) on Jun-02-07 at 15:41:39 PDT

Mitch, yup, the link between our house (where the web server is located) and the radio tower on Neahkahnie was playing havoc with us for a while late this week. We replaced a couple of radios and it should be fairly solid (though slightly slower, since we went from 2.4GHz to 900MHz).

Posted by malolo ( 841

)

on Jun-02-07 at 15:01:33 PDT

Don't know how I sniped myself. LOL. Sorry to the person who was at the bottom of the 200 messsages.

Posted by malolo ( 841

)

on Jun-02-07 at 15:00:23 PDT

bjorn -
One of my searches that includes - raz*.

Many of my searches where I use the name Switzerland or Schweiz, or Suisse turn up 5-6000 returns of which maybe 3000 are valid. If any seller mentions the acceptance of Swiss francs, his address is in Switzerland, or specializes in Schweiz briefmarken, they all turn up in my country name searches.

After a while of deleting specific keywords listed by numerous sellers Ican reduce my list by 30%. but is it worth it? I don't know as maybe 5 sellers on eBay list razor cancel when they get them!It takes a lot of looking even when I use pretty restrictive search criteria.

Roger

Posted by malolo ( 841

)

on Jun-02-07 at 15:00:23 PDT

bjorn -
One of my searches that includes - raz*.

Many of my searches where I use the name Switzerland or Schweiz, or Suisse turn up 5-6000 returns of which maybe 3000 are valid. If any seller mentions the acceptance of Swiss francs, his address is in Switzerland, or specializes in Schweiz briefmarken, they all turn up in my country name searches.

After a while of deleting specific keywords listed by numerous sellers Ican reduce my list by 30%. but is it worth it? I don't know as maybe 5 sellers on eBay list razor cancel when they get them!It takes a lot of looking even when I use pretty restrictive search criteria.

Roger

Posted by dbenson ( 8266

)

on Jun-02-07 at 12:54:07 PDT

D1, how true, your occupation listed on the Aussie Chat,

" Troublemaker ",

David B.

Posted by bjornmu ( 925

) on Jun-02-07 at 12:52:47 PDT

Eh, postage added.

Posted by bjornmu ( 925

) on Jun-02-07 at 12:49:40 PDT

Roger, what led you to that stamp? Anyway, even without postage agged it's not worth 24 groszy.

Posted by malolo ( 841

)

on Jun-02-07 at 11:03:27 PDT

Polish economics? or am I missing something, such as unstated shipping fees?
http://cgi.ebay.com/NORWEGIA-Norge-Mi-196-zn382_W0QQitemZ270126335270

Posted by rioroyal ( 392

) on Jun-02-07 at 10:53:31 PDT

Jaywild-- The guy you can't resist taking a shot at is not even posting. Can't you at least wait until you think you have been slighted, and then be your usual crabby self?

Posted by gemdiva64 ( 925

)

on Jun-02-07 at 10:27:03 PDT

Hi Matt..thank you for looking. I will probably list it as a cover letter and maybe a historian will look at it as a keeper..thanks so much
Sharon

Posted by keleofa ( 3457

)

on Jun-02-07 at 10:17:39 PDT

Sharon,

Your cover was postmarked Nov 8, 1940. The stamps themselves are worth less than $1.00 (per an American catalog). Not sure if the usage/postmark is of any value.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by willderspin ( 679

) on Jun-02-07 at 09:54:54 PDT

IO

Just joined you there

Agree with the sentiment

Posted by gemdiva64 ( 925

)

on Jun-02-07 at 09:49:15 PDT

http://usera.imagecave.com/gemdiva93257/romaniastamp1940-copy.jpg
Good morning all.the above stamp looked interesting to me. Does anyone here have any suggestions. I don't know what the stamps are except that they are old and from romania. Wasn't 1939 a war year? Gosh and I'm not THAT young. :-)
Sharon

Posted by jaywild ( 946

)

on Jun-02-07 at 09:30:57 PDT

lotz4me2c� To follow on what Matt in AZ and 220man said, recent American stamps are generally not worth anything above face value, however some series and some topics have generated interest beyond what is usual. The Elvis stamps are a good example�there�s almost always someone out there willing to buy them. If you want to sell your Celebrate the Century sheets, now would be the time to do it, before the interest they currently inspire in collectors evaporates.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 946

)

on Jun-02-07 at 09:23:06 PDT

infla-alec� What a nice guy you are!!! Please check your email.

stamphick� Then by all means, read my posts and get your shorts in a twist. In fact, read them again and again, every five minutes or so, but keep your blood-pressure pills handy.

? ? ? ? ?

Jim

Posted by keleofa ( 3457

)

on Jun-02-07 at 09:16:44 PDT

Lotz,

Celebrate
the Century

Looks like some are selling at a premium over face value.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by 220man ( 151

) on Jun-02-07 at 09:08:17 PDT