eBay chatboard archive: Jul-23-07 to Jul-29-07 week

Posted by joey99   ( 73 ) on Jul-29-07 at 21:26:47 PDT   Listings
Hi, Please excuse this test. I'm seeing how this works:)
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2006 ) on Jul-29-07 at 21:19:50 PDT   Listings
Jaywild;

I don't have a clue what your talking about. I can't speak for anyone else, and can only speak about US expertizing, but certainly mistakes can be made, but since no-one who expertizes knows who the submissions come from (other than Mercer Bristow and Krystal Harter), there is no way for "vendettas" to come into play that I am aware of. I can't confirm what I don't know. Past my bedtime.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:29:50 PDT   Listings
wrw1943… I am assuming you missed one of the points I emphasized, which is that the first hurdle any submission has to get past are the “experts” at the organization the stamp was sent to. This is where APS falls short, and as an example I linked to an APS certificate that was so risible the Braille Institute would have done a better job. In my personal experience, as well as that of others whose stamps knowledge I respect, APS is not above waging petty vendettas and wars against supposed “enemies”, which sadly spills over into their expertizing. I’m sure you personally are aware of the characters at APS of whom that description might apply. No need to confirm it here, if you'd rather not.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:28:48 PDT   Listings
KNUDEN-----Nice showing of material
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:26:22 PDT   Listings
WHAT A OPPORTUNITY Boy -----could I open up after that last posting and light up this chat board ....about some of the other ABSURD statements .......but na !!!!!Had a good day working and want to go to sleep and dream of collections up for auction next winter.......paul
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2006 ) on Jul-29-07 at 19:23:54 PDT   Listings
EXPERTIZING;

It's late here in the East Coast and I've had a long (losing) day playing poker, but I wanted to make a few comments on something JAYWILD posted here a few days ago.

He basically recommended that someone use PSE as their expert committee of choice, rather than the PF or APS because he considers those committees to be too "picky".

I expertize for both PSE and APEX and consult with the PF, so I have no real "favorites" here, nor do I wish to promote any one over the other, but to say that ANY expert committee is too pickly is absurd! What submitter's pay for, are entitled to, and should expect from ANY expert committee is that the examiners will describe ANY flaws,faults or alterations that deviate from a perfect specimen. To do otherwise is to shirk the duty for which the submitter has paid.

Furthermore, if I, as an examiner, am allowed or encouraged to "overlook" any flaw, how do I know where to draw the line? Do I describe a short perf but not a perf tear? A perf thin but not a gum crease? You get the picture. We describe what we see. It's just that simple. Believe me, it's what every client of every expert committee wants, or ought to want - the truth - even though it may hurt.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:56:12 PDT   Listings
Bill,

yes, they are still original essays, it is only when the plate that produced the essay is used at a later date then they become posthumous printings of the essay but those are from different plates.

David B.
Posted by 220man   ( 153 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:55:32 PDT   Listings
Jim: It makes one wonder how many death notices were delivered in that manner. Few I hope. Poignant indeed.
Phil
Posted by billsey   ( 848 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:52:26 PDT   Listings
Are essays produced after the stamp has been released still valid? Here is a page of the Jacobson essays for Argentina, produced in 1882, after a slightly different design was released to the public! Jacobson was attempting to prove that they (a printer local to Argentina) could produce the same quality as the foreign printers they had been using.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:32:05 PDT   Listings
rbstudio121… You should be the happiest person in the world! Why? Because now you can reacquaint yourself with the wonderful world of stamp collecting.

While it is doubtful the stamps you put away many years ago are worth a lot of money, if they provided enjoyment once they can do so again, in fact you can pick right back up where you left off. If you do decide to resume collecting, there are all kinds of friendly folks here to help out and answer any questions you might have. There are many worse ways to spend one’s time than mounting postage stamps in albums.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:27:18 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Here’s a poignant October 5 item I did not bid on. A wife sent a nice thick letter (4x first class rate—you can see how the CDS ran off the top of a bundle of paper inside the cover) to her husband in the infantry, who was apparently killed in action a short time later, before the letter got to him.

One can only hope that she received a telegram or other notification of his death before this cover came back as it did.

Jim
Posted by rbstudio121   ( 0 )   on Jul-29-07 at 18:14:06 PDT   Listings
New to this chat room.
Question: I just came across an envelope full of stamps I had collected back in the late 70s/early 80s. They include stamps from Ghana, Peru, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, S. Africa, Argentina and lots more. Should I be happy?????
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-29-07 at 15:37:03 PDT   Listings
Mitch

Use this link

PC
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-29-07 at 15:35:43 PDT   Listings
Mitch

One of your Belgium "essays" looks like one in this link


PC
Posted by knuden   ( 2301 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:47:08 PDT   Listings
I would like to show some interesting proofs too. :O)

1. Denmark. Proof of Postal wrapper (3 known in this color).

2. Sudetenland. Proof of Postal card.

3. Sudetenland. Proof of meter cancel on the manufactures index card. (One known of this type.)

4. Bosnia & Herzegovina. Proof in black.

5. Bosnia & Herzegovina. Plate proof.

6. Czechoslovakia. Color proof.

7. Czechoslovakia. Proof

8. Czechoslovakia. Proof on colored paper.

9. Czechoslovakia. Proof of Special Delivery stamps.

10. Czechoslovakia. Proof of overprint on 1. Air Mail issue. Correct stamps of 1. issue.

11. Czechoslovakia. Proof.

12. Czechoslovakia. Proof in unissued color.

13. Czechoslovakia. (Eastern Silesia) Proof of overprint.

14. Czechoslovakia. (Czechoslovak Legion in Siberia) Plate proof..

15. Czechoslovakia. (Czechoslovak Legion in Siberia) Plate proof.

1. Czechoslovakia. Essay.

17. Czechoslovakia. Even if these sometimes get good money on eBay, it's not proof but printers waste and is very common! Printers waste.

18. Christiania, Denmark. This "hippietown" is a abandoned military area in the middle of Copenhagen, which was occupied in 1971 and still is. They issue their own local stamps, which are used as a payment for getting mail in and out of Christiania as Post Denmark isn't distributing mail inside the area. Proof of some the first local stamps. - Card with local stamp only. Back of card (text reads: "A flower in the middle of the City") - Cover with local stamp.

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:46:16 PDT   Listings
A special for Roly and coincidently, image o' the day.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:35:26 PDT   Listings
Claghorn shows a good lesson. Even those fakes in the Fourmier album are correctly classified as "proofs"
Posted by stampmad   ( 1088 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:29:31 PDT   Listings
D1 You may know your revenues but geez you still got this wrong in your relisting. As I said before this is a duplex of Longreach not a stand alone numeral obliterator.

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUEENSLAND-Postmark-Rays-592-of-Benowa-rated_W0QQitemZ280138620800QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:20:52 PDT   Listings
Mitch
Those could be just pictures of Belgian essays rather than the originals but I do not know for certain. I have the last one in rose with large margins.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:18:27 PDT   Listings
Maybe NOW is the time to put all of your money into 1937-1954 three cent sheets. I won't do it because I never follow my own advice even though I am always right. I think there are millions of little kids all over the world that will be clamoring to pay 25 cents in todays dollars tommorrow to get a US 3 cent stamp. As soon as they quit starving in all those countries my mother said they were starving in if I didn't eat my broccoli they will be buying Scott National albums. I am going to put all my cash into singles for my worlwide albums!
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-29-07 at 12:24:50 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

I would just like to remind everyone to help promote the club by spreading the word.
The easiest way to do this is by handing out or placing (at the sign-in tables or booths)
EUSC fliers at stamp shows.

Here is the APS list for shows and exhibitions.

Other easy ways to support the club are by adding links to our site in your auction listings.
Inviting people you do business with on ebay is also another way you can help.

Of course any ideas by other members are always welcomed and encouraged.

If any of the board members have any old or new business please bring it forth.



Happy Stampin,
Mitchell
el Presidente'
Posted by malolo   ( 847 ) on Jul-29-07 at 11:31:36 PDT   Listings
Aloha -

It's been a busy week.

Bob in WA CHECK YOUR EBAY MESSAGES . There is a really neat bridge card being offered.

Bill C -
Thanks for taking up the slack and showing those Swiss "after the fact" proofs.

jaywild - Glad to have helped.

To everyone - great showing of proofs. Too bad so many of the resulting stamps received such heavy cancels.

Roger
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-29-07 at 11:16:29 PDT   Listings
Mitch They sure look similar to the adopted designs so my guess is yes Essay's.
By the way a very enjoyable monthly topic which has been thoroughly enjoyed by all. I to be honest didn't expect so many to participate. But it seems there are indeed many collectors here who are into extending their collections beyond the normal. So my thanks to everyone who was able to show material.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-29-07 at 10:46:13 PDT   Listings
Does anyone know anything about these I assume they are Belgium essays as they are not issued stamps.
Posted by tlawrencestamps   ( 1449 ) on Jul-29-07 at 08:28:14 PDT   Listings
Should have read: Thank You, to all of you who have gone through the effort, to show scans of Proof's etc.
Posted by tlawrencestamps   ( 1449 ) on Jul-29-07 at 08:26:13 PDT   Listings
Thank You, to all you have gone to the effort, to show scans of Proof's etc.

Some of the items are familiar to me, while others, I had never seen before. Was nice seeing even the familiar items again especially with some of the high definition scans.

Tremendous amount of both knowledge & talent on this board. Now if y'all could only get along a little better.... Ted.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-29-07 at 05:53:03 PDT   Listings
eshaw225 - I just viewed your eBay purchases. You have already bought a Scott Vol 1 which includes UN. Just look the damm things up.

timewasted-raff
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-29-07 at 05:45:40 PDT   Listings

eshaw225 - first you will have to get a catalog. A Scott Specialized lists UN as well as some commercial catalogs such as Brookman or Harris. A used catalog from the past 2 years should do fine.

With a few exceptions there is little relationship between "catalog value" and market value. Peruse the UN stamps on eBay for real life examples. Ads in the back of Linns Stamp News used to offer to purchase accumulations of UN mint OG NH for 75 - 80 percent of face value.

The first souvenir sheet #38 is likely the most desirable item. Should you have marginal inscription blocks some of the earliers bring a premium. The 1-1/2c first issue precancel is a better item as well. Some Offices in Geneva and Vienna too.

The sad bottom line is that there is really not much demand for UN stamps, and regardless of what a catalog says a value is, it is the demand of the market which rules the roost with UN.

In yesterday's mail I received a mailing from a dealer franked with values from the first issue. He likely bought them at a huge discount from face, and is known for almost exclusively mailing from NYC with UN stamps.

If you were given the collection you are going to be ok.

Start with looking thru eBay closed auctions.

UN-raff
Posted by eshaw225   ( 12 ) on Jul-29-07 at 04:44:59 PDT   Listings
just received a large United Nations stamp collection. How do I go about cataloging it?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-29-07 at 02:22:06 PDT   Listings
Mitch, in the case of Tonga most proofs exist as they were found in a cupboard drawer in the estate of the engravers grandson. In Niger Coast's case they were sold by the printers at in the 1920's.

A lot of proofing material was purloined from PO or prnters archives and in the case of Australia some were even repurchased 100 years later at market value by the PO.

There is absolutely no relationship between their value and the value of the issued stamps, in some cases it will be lower but in my cases the value is by supply and demand. The demand is enormous and the supply extremely limited and some of them sell for $1000's each while the issued stamps only cats a few dollars.

David B.
Posted by stampmad   ( 1088 ) on Jul-29-07 at 01:51:01 PDT   Listings
D1 This description is not correct. You are showing the rays of the 592 duplex of Longreach. 692 only exists as a barred numeral.

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUEENSLAND-Postmark-Rays-692-of-EATON-VALE-rated-4R_W0QQitemZ280138401391QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Jul-29-07 at 01:01:02 PDT   Listings
Great showings of proofs, everyone!

Here's a few of my favourites:

US one-frame exhibit - The United States 1869 Issue - Ninety Cents Lincoln Design, by William Ainsworth

Interesting country - Upper Bongoland, from an exhibit by Dr. Kwame Obeye-Amin

US prime number (Sc293 - $2 Trans-Mississippi):

- proofs and a hybrid essay, from the collection of Bob in WA, who might like to describe them in more detail

- plate proof plate number block of 4, from a Rumsey auction, late 1990's?


New Hebrides proofs:

- A group of perplexing essays - New Hebrides 1893 Military Franchise essays, see pp6-12. The real story of how these printings are linked is yet to be told!

- 1897 Australasian New Hebrides Company 1d local - black/blue and pink/deep blue, from the Mele collection. The story of these locals is on pp13-15 above. The third proof (black and brown) is in the Luff reference collection at the Philatelic Foundation in New York. Does anyone know if that is available for viewing by the general public?

- 1925 Dual Currency issue. Alas, this is all I have of these.

- 1925 Dual Currency issue 5 shilling, from the Namba 2 collection. Go to Roland's site as linked, then click on the 1925 section (C, 1, 3), and see the story of the printing development of the British 5 shilling value unfold.

S2
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:43:02 PDT   Listings
Darn Frames. HERE is the link.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:42:00 PDT   Listings
Here is the link to the NOT Rare Swiss Trial Color Proofs. Credit goes to Roger for pointing these not proofs which show up often on eBay.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:24:03 PDT   Listings
WOW.......glad to see all the great showings on this months EUSC topic. Methinks there maybe some folks out there that might consider collecting proofs after this.

Hi Dave I was wondering the same thing. David Benson mentioned this earlier and I was hoping he would explain how different countries dealt with proofs. Hint hint.

As far as the U.S. goes here are the second and third issues.
Posted by philatarium   ( 235 ) on Jul-28-07 at 22:49:35 PDT   Listings
Question on the whole proof subject:
Basically, have some countries made them available and others not? If so, were they legitimately released or did they exit through some sort of back-door connection?

I ask because I don't recall ever seeing a proof for a Japanese stamp.

Thanks in advance for anybody's input.

(And I've gotta admit, the US ones look great! I'm in love!)

-- Dave
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-28-07 at 22:20:43 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Last post from me tonight on the proof topic. Ant-Ra’s beautiful newspaper proofs prompted me to dig out some proofs of US Officials—Department of Agriculture, Department of the Navy, and the Department of Justice.

Roger the Swiss Hawaiian may recognize a few of these…

☺

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-28-07 at 21:34:48 PDT   Listings

My ISP’s email service was down for most of the day. That’s been frustrating. I’m trying to get a seller to refund me the shortfall from his underinsuring it through the Post Office. His faulty packing is what caused the problem in the first place.
Jim L.
member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:56:24 PDT   Listings
rich, they are no watermark paper and in different colors than the issued stamps.

Proofs are often found perforated which were used for testing the layout of the comb perforating machine which had to be adjusted to fit the size of the various stamps.

David B.
Posted by djs127   ( 594 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:39:59 PDT   Listings
In today's mail a large package arrived with my latest 3 lots which I won on Ebay:
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES 1930-35 STARTS ITALY PG401 (280131871861)
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES 1901-1920 GERMAN SW AFRICA (280133317697)
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES ITALY THRU ZANZIBAR 1935-38 (280135396099)
Looks like putting these pages into my international binders will keep me busy for a while.
David Snyder
Posted by rich-in-pa   ( 209 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:33:59 PDT   Listings
D2...David,why were the plate proofs perforated and how can you tell they are proofs?
Rich
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:04:59 PDT   Listings
Niger Coast Essays & proofs,

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp1.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp2.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp3.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp4.jpg

David B.
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1543 ) on Jul-28-07 at 18:49:07 PDT   Listings
Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who offered me some help, the other day, on selling some sheets of stamps. I've ordered a Scott catalog as suggested. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you soon. Looks like the first auction is off to a pretty good start (I think) I really appreciate it. Thanks again, Angela
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-28-07 at 18:29:56 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Hmmm…

Jim
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-28-07 at 17:41:02 PDT   Listings
Linda, D2 and Peter - Many thanks for the compliments. Glad you liked my "display".
Posted by bjornmu   ( 935 ) on Jul-28-07 at 16:49:13 PDT   Listings
iomoon, glad to hear the postcard already arrived. And no, I didn't watch it being cancelled (though I really should have), I just put it in the mailbox together with two others. I actually had trouble finding appropriate postcards in Heimaey, but finally located them in a bookstore. My last option would have been to walk to the airport.

As for the funga and fauna stamps, that's what I got at the post office in Seyðisfjörður, they didn't have any of the exact rate.

BTW, on a tour today the last and least interesting stop was in Hveragerði, a small town whose existence in based around a geothermal field. But it's also the home town of an eBay seller I bought from just days before I left for vacation! It's a small world.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 433 ) on Jul-28-07 at 16:16:04 PDT   Listings
Good Morning from a sunny Melbourne!

if the person who was enquiring about 22K gold stamps last week is still reading the board, I came across a few this week, selling for under a Dollar,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290131735543
was one. Sorry seems they are worth even less than I first thought.


Keep the proofs / essays coming I'm enjoying all of them ! and thanks David for the link to Arthur's collection, one or two of those proofs went through my hands, oh the memories!!!

HAPPY SUNDAY
Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 15:36:24 PDT   Listings
Arthur Gray's Australia Kangaroo collection which included many Essays, Die & Plate Proofs,

http://www.stampauctionnetwork.com/F/F89.cfm

The realisations were astounding,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 14:36:09 PDT   Listings
BWI, you should be commended for your showing of Grenada essays & trials.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-28-07 at 14:23:18 PDT   Listings
BWI Thanks for your help/ideas. The mark is slight surface damage and the stamp has no gum. Great showing by the way on Mauritius & Grenada.
cheers
Peter
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 13:00:11 PDT   Listings
Bob Beautiful stuff, glad you will able to get them posted. I agree with the value of proofs vs stamps but you do have several there that are worth more than the stamps.

You also reminded me of another set I have, that I just plain forgot about. I think it would be hard to find a more beautiful set of stamps than these
Posted by rclwa   ( 970 ) on Jul-28-07 at 12:22:44 PDT   Listings
My good friend Dave Frick kindly sent me the means to access some of the images he has hosted for me. As I do not have my templates for quickly forming neater links, I will take the liberty of quickly pasting in URLs. Here are a few examples of my proofs:

Large die proof
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/can156ldp.jpg

Another
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/240ldp.jpg

Two more bridges
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/BrProofs1.jpg

And a large gathering
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/BrProofs2.jpg

I have many others, but these are readily available to post and give a good idea of the types I like. I do feel it is important to discern between proofs issued for collectors and those actually used in the design process. I have never quite understood why some proofs, both more perfect and much rarer than their finished stamp counterparts, still have a small fraction of the stamp value.

I also like plate proofs, which unlike die proofs, are sometimes available in multiples. Here's an example from my nude collection:
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/Newsp24blk.jpg

Time getting short, and library is closed Sunday, so I'll check back on Monday.

Bob in WA
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 11:09:01 PDT   Listings
Alex I have seen a few used U.S. proofs. I believe the second stamp here is a used proof on stamp paper. There ia also a proof and two stamps from the 1873 issue 3 cent bank note for reference.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 10:30:34 PDT   Listings
NOIP one seller has this policy

PayPal offers a fantastic way to get stamps and anything else absolutely free.  Buy anything from eBay, pay using PayPal but DO NOT CHOSE Registration service or any other trackable shipping service.  Chose just standard postage service.  Once you receive your goods fill a complaint at PayPal stating that you have not received your goods. PayPal will request the seller to prove that the goods have been shipped. Since no Registration or any other trackable shipping method was chosen by the buyer, the seller cannot prove shipping was done so buyer get his money refunded.  Extremely easy!!!!   Try it, it works all the time and no questions will be asked to the buyer !!!


I have lost hundreds of dollars due to this PayPal policy.  For this reason I WILL NO MORE ACCEPT PAYPAL unless Registration service is added.  Sorry but I hope you understand the reason.
Payment Instructions : After auctions end, if you want to send payment ahead, just add the total of your win(s) up to 5 lots, add $0.95 for shipping to USA, $0.75 to Canada and $1.75 for the rest of the world. Heavier letters will be quoted shipping accordingly. Missing amounts will delay the shipping of the lot(s) until full amount is remitted. I will not be responsible for lots lost or damaged in the mail. Registration service is mandatory to some countries with unsafe mail system as China PR, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and South America. This Shipping charge applies ONLY ONCE, regardless of the number of lots you win but heavier packages will require an additional postage charge.
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Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 09:55:32 PDT   Listings
Proofs
Hungary
Spain
Belgium and COngo
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1638 ) on Jul-28-07 at 09:07:09 PDT   Listings
infla-alec Count that one (or save to file) as one I owe you for the OPD research. Only thing better would have been an upper margin. Sold my block of four with upper margin at Köhler auction several years ago and I didn't keep a scan.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:57:59 PDT   Listings
Charles Lovely clean item and of course one from my own collecting speciality. Though I wouldn't classify a trial printing as a proof myself but strictly speaking that trial print was meant to have been run as a check just prior to the start up of the actual print run to ensure cleanliness etc of the printing plate and the philatelic term andruckprobe does translate as a proof so in other words it qualifiies for the meeting topic and yes I am green with envy :-) I shall also retract my earlier statement that no essays or proofs for the OPD issues exist.

For those that don't know that actual trial print was one of only one sheet known to have survived destruction after the trial run. It is believed that one sheet was sent accidentaly to the Erfurt Post Office which would have given 100 copies. A few are known to still exist in unused condition but a handful are known used on cover. Those on cover I believe to have been philatelicly inspired as the other examples I have seen all bear the same handwriting or virtually the exact same franking. None the less a very rare item which 100% went through the mailing system and was accepted as part of the postal rate. I very much doubt many other proofs exist from anywhere which were actually postally used.

Now we wait and see if someone proves me wrong.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:36:34 PDT   Listings
Roger How about that link to the "proofs" of the helvetia which you give occasionally?
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1638 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:04:35 PDT   Listings
Andruckprobe zu 10 Milliarden Mark der OPD Erfurt, The trial printing of the 10 Billion Mark overprint of the OPD Erfurt on domestic letter paying the proper rate of 160 Billion Marks from Erfurt to Berlin for a domestic letter plus registry (during the 4 times face period). See here. Uncommon postally used.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-28-07 at 07:45:29 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

My abolutely favorite set of color proofs I do not own.
The images were kindly sent to me by the grandson of the illustrator.
They depict what was probably an eruption of the volcano, Fuego.
They were never issued because of possible bad publicity for the country.
Anyway:

Brown

Red

Blue

Green

Purple
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-28-07 at 05:47:47 PDT   Listings

Groovy.

60s-raff
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-28-07 at 05:24:12 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.
member
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 04:06:55 PDT   Listings
sixmango Scinde Dawh here

Forgery Identification Site

Posted by bluehillsbooks   ( 1637 ) on Jul-28-07 at 01:16:45 PDT   Listings
Thanks to you, Iomoon. Your information is very helpful. I guess I've have to leave the Presentation Packs alone and only fill the albums with singles from elsewhere.
Posted by bluehillsbooks   ( 1637 ) on Jul-28-07 at 01:10:00 PDT   Listings
Postalhysteria, (like that moniker!)
Thanks for your help. I have often been puzzled by what you mention. How can a serious stamp collector send a payment with a machine cancel or a definitive??? I have ALWAYS used current commems on envelopes to customers or sellers. With the Post Office getting more "iffy" with regard to service....they raise the rates and cut the service!!! Issue "Forever Stamps"....which no one I've talked to seems to think was a good idea. Lines are always long and they don't seem to work any faster. I asked one customer service person this week whether they were trying to loose customers. I got this shpeel about how it was a business and blah, blah, blah. There forcing people to reconsider other carriers, IMHO. UPS is starting to look like a better option. How much do you think they make from collectors who buy stamps that will never be used for postage? Philatelic "Stores" in the Boston area are all closed. Hours are being reduced. (used to be open till 6:00 during the week, now its 5:30 and only till noon on Saturday. I have received several "final notices" on packages when I never got a first notice!! Parcel post just recently went on a lower priority, so I got mail from England faster than from the USA....one package took 3 weeks and the tracking number kept saying it was at the point of shipping. Now, you got me started. I really think philatelists need to use some clout to influence better service. They make a LOT of money on such as we.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-28-07 at 00:50:38 PDT   Listings
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Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 22:25:45 PDT   Listings
Sixmango Welcome to the stamp chat!
We really don't sell or buy on this board. Its against ebay rules.
I doubt many ever go through ebay as they are quite scarce and valueable.
Posted by sixmango   ( 38 ) on Jul-27-07 at 22:02:07 PDT   Listings
Looking for "Scinde Dawk"
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 433 ) on Jul-27-07 at 21:17:50 PDT   Listings
bwi thank you! what a truly amazing display you have shown today.

Keep the links coming, I am really enjoying this months displays. Wish I had something to show!
Linda
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 20:57:12 PDT   Listings
kewlest = coolest

PC
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-27-07 at 20:50:11 PDT   Listings

What is kewlest?

Re Printed Matter, that is a term for overseas mail, domestic mail of the same kind is third class.

riff-raff
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-27-07 at 19:45:50 PDT   Listings
Proofs from Paul's collection , NICARAGUA....
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-27-07 at 19:42:58 PDT   Listings
Greetings,

The only proofs I could put up are white paper proofs of Precancel Devices. It was not "proper" to create them and they are no where as interesting or pretty as what you guys are posting.

member
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1989 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:40:26 PDT   Listings
pro: yes, printed matter rate. Nice early Barry machine to boot.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:40:13 PDT   Listings
Peter C… Here is an enlargement of the area of the 24¢ stamps you were asking about. What is spotty printing makes it look as if the curl extends farther on the stamp. It actually doesn’t.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:27:01 PDT   Listings
cfrphoto… I don’t know how you could have inferred that I was urging anyone to seek out an expertizing service that would overlook faults. That’s pretty defamatory, actually, and not something I would have said even if I held your opinions in contempt.

Anyone who has sent off for dozens of certificates will understand what I mean by APS’s proclivity for finding faults that aren’t there. They are also extremely weak in their knowledge of certain aspects of classic US stamps, TYPE IV 10¢ Washingtons for one example. Here is a particularly laughable APS goof, perforations authenticated by none other than Mercer Bristow , APS’s perforation guru, who goes around the US lecturing about how to spot fake perfs. I don’t need to go any further than that cert in forming an opinion of APS, on the subject of anything.

True, if the in-house experts don’t know the material it is sent out to someone who does. This pool overlaps between the three major expertizers considerably, however the in-house expertise is what I am talking about. PSE has consistently been able to confirm very difficult stamps IDs, while APS regularly flubs them.

PSE will certainly note faults that are present in the stamp, but they don’t go “creating” them.

Jim
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:16:05 PDT   Listings
Mitch

I think this negative imagemay show better what I mean. There are more black area in the two areas I circled.

PC
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:07:40 PDT   Listings
Jaywild

Am I correct that this is a Printed Matter mailing
going by the unsealed flap and the Undated CDS

Printedmatterrate
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:49:50 PDT   Listings
greenwave4u regarding your Nyasaland Protectorate 1/ stamp
I have two Jamaica War Tax stamps with a similar small green marking at the top of each, and also bearing a faint local Specimen handstamp (click here). These stamps were sent to the Bechuanaland Protectorate post office where they received this type of Specimen handstamp. According to someone at Argyll Etkin, the green mark was applied with a crayon when a post office audit was performed.

Your stamp appears to bear the same type of green crayon mark. I can't tell whether the faint black mark in the lower right corner is a dirt smudge, a cancel, or a faint letter that could be part of a Specimen handstamp. Does your stamp have gum? Mine do not because they were affixed to a page and later soaked off.

I believe the Bechuanaland Protectorate Post Office collection was sold at auction by Robson Lowe in Basel in 1976.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:30:15 PDT   Listings
Here are some Official type stamps that are in a glassine
marked Proofs

They are like Card stock printed
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:23:30 PDT   Listings
Peter I agree with Jaywild that I see no difference in that area of the stamp (and you should not).
I also agree with him that it is one of kewlest stamps. The banknotes are one of my favorite sets and the 24 cent Scott is by far my favorite of the set. here are a few from my collection. The first is an india proof the 2nd a card proof and the third an india from the last issue. The fourth is a color trial proof in Black.
I don't have as nice a stamp as Jim to compare them to.
I've been looking for a long time but they are very hard to find with good color, centering and nice cancel.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:23:29 PDT   Listings
Peter I agree with Jaywild that I see no difference in that area of the stamp (and you should not).
I also agree with him that it is one of kewlest stamps. The banknotes are one of my favorite sets and the 24 cent Scott is by far my favorite of the set. here are a few from my collection. The first is an india proof the 2nd a card proof and the third an india from the last issue. The fourth is a color trial proof in Black.
I don't have as nice a stamp as Jim to compare them to.
I've been looking for a long time but they are very hard to find with good color, centering and nice cancel.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:16:47 PDT   Listings
Paul Please do not confuse my point, I was not agreeing with you or supporting you, quite the contrary!
I do agree on one point with you, stamp prices in all ranges are increasing.
On the same note I disagree with numerous statemnets you have made that stamps should not be investments.
Yes, there might be better places for your money but stamps are swell and a few bozos on the planet (myself included) think they might be a reasonable way to invest if they are purchased properly.
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-27-07 at 16:56:07 PDT   Listings
Meeting topic - essays and proofs
The first stamps of Grenada were printed by Perkins Bacon. In 1883, De La Rue proposed a new design in an attempt to obtain the contract for the printing of Grenada's stamps. Shown here is a hand-drawn watercolor essay of the design on tracing paper in ultramarine, created by a De La Rue artist. The design was modeled on the 25 cent stamp of Mauritius. This essay was sent to Grenada for approval, but a later proposal by De La Rue was accepted resulting in the first tete beche issue (Scott 20a-26a, Gibbons 30a-36a).
In 1887, the need for a one penny stamp with a "Postage and Revenue" inscription resulted in this essay being sent to Grenada for approval. On rejection, this bi-color essay was submitted. The final stamp was printed in a single color in tete-beche format as before (Scott 30a, Gibbons 40a).
For the Queen Victoria Keyplate Issue of 1895-99, De La Rue used this essay to propose an interesting design for the two penny value. The essay is hand-drawn in mauve, green and Chinese white, and features natives operating a bovine-powered sugarcane press.
Development of the approved Keyplate design can be seen with these essays, which are modified Imperium stamps. These original working die proofs of the country name and value tablet for each Keyplate denomination are from the De La Rue archives. The final stamps can be seen here (Scott 39-46, Gibbons 48-55).
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553