eBay chatboard archive: Aug-20-07 to Aug-26-07 week

Posted by bradstonian   ( 1315 ) on Aug-26-07 at 23:07:21 PDT   Listings
Hi Paolo,

A 'Certificate of Posting' is a receipt for letters which is provided free of charge by the Post Office. The certificate offers limited compensation, up to £25, I believe.

In general, I prefer used stamps to mint, because a used stamp has served its purpose. I'm happy to have mint stamps in my thematic collection, but don't see any particular value in obtaining unmounted mint examples.

Martin.
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 20:37:47 PDT   Listings
dinero45… I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but your Elvis stamp is not “double printed”. Here is the catalog entry for your stamp, and it does not show any evidence that a “double print” variety has ever shown up.

What you have is a fairly common example of misregistration, where all the colors printed in the proper place except the black, which is shifted down in relation to the rest of the image. Not worth much, I’m afraid.

If eBay is on the ball they will ask you to pull the auction, because to advertise it as a “double print” variety is misleading, and could encourage people to bid on it thinking it is something rare and valuable. The ethical thing to do is pull the auction yourself, because to continue trying to sell it now that you know what it really is would be dishonest.

Jim
Posted by dinero45   ( 372 ) on Aug-26-07 at 20:19:23 PDT   Listings
I am selling an Elvis Presley Double Image sheet. I hope I put it in the right section.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 19:59:05 PDT   Listings
DRAGONSTAMPS -----Will try to pick up the other type this week from a friend and will scan both in a week or so.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 19:56:03 PDT   Listings
SCOTT-----Thanks don't understand the problem of some not opening up the link.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1384 ) on Aug-26-07 at 19:39:56 PDT   Listings
member
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-26-07 at 19:30:13 PDT   Listings
Paul: Yeah I agree, your stamp (which was at the bottom on my copy/paste of the 3 different Qatars) was the only type II of the three stamps. Rainer's was the middle stamp, and my scan was at the top. You can see from that .jpg that your stamp has the thinner font.

I should have cropped the overprints alone and put them on a grid type background. But that would have been too much of a project...Getting the sizes correct to scale would have
been important, and tough to do. Maybe only possible if I had the stamps in person, to scan?
Anyhow, at first I though Rainer's was different from my type I scan so I thought his was by default, type II. That was wrong to assume, on my part.
You really need to compare one to actual types I+II to see which one it is.
Posted by scottpel3   ( 835 ) on Aug-26-07 at 18:37:59 PDT   Listings
Paul:
No problem openning either link.
Scott
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:49:12 PDT   Listings
THANKS---stamphick
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:47:53 PDT   Listings
Can someone confirm this link opens up ...... Qatar differences.....paul
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:45:23 PDT   Listings
paul...I can open it.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:41:02 PDT   Listings
Can anybody else ,open the link ?????
Posted by dbenson   ( 8509 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:30:22 PDT   Listings
Paul, sorry I cannot open your scan, could I also see the other values you showed before,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 17:27:18 PDT   Listings
David B. Here is the information you need to see the differences of the type on the Qatar stamps .As I said earlier ,mine are typeII . QATAR type differences on the 5/ ....paul
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 16:50:48 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Bad case of dyslexia—not only on this lot title, but this one as well.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8509 ) on Aug-26-07 at 16:28:18 PDT   Listings
Paul, if you linked a scan of each stamp separately then it may be possible to confirm them but from the scan you showed it is impossible,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-26-07 at 15:58:50 PDT   Listings
Thanks ......FLIP138 For confirming my statement to Rainier that his stamps are a type I and that the scan of my stamps are a Type II. There are one or two others that could of confirmed it ,but decided to remain silent but thats to be expected of them .....paul

The key is the statment in Gibbons of the Bolder and thicker letters on that overprint .

Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 15:42:09 PDT   Listings
Paolo…

?

Hi Lindy...

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 457 ) on Aug-26-07 at 15:14:51 PDT   Listings
Back from a lovely 3-day weekend away in the countryside. Lovely weather, good weekend. Its finally Spring, and country Victoria was beautiful, Blossom, Daffodils and Wattle blooming everywhere. I managed to buy a few items for my Ink Advertising Ephemera collection, a blotter and 2 envelopes. (nothing philatelic).

Thanks to Roger for a heads up on a Putney Item

Some nice displays here I on the weekend. Philaweb Great Latvia display, thanks! and
Milenko
wow! amazing display.
Sheryll I'll email you as soon as Vic finds this other item I was speaking of!

Linda
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-26-07 at 15:05:07 PDT   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),
Similar minds... ;-)
I particularly liked your answer to Vesa (- by the way, nice to see him posting again! -):
It reflects the truth!
A few months ago I made a series of certificates of authenticity for a Dutch seller. In the bulk of the material he consigned me 'brevi manu', in second instance I also found forgeries which I could ascribe to a particular forger. Thus, to help this guy and the collector in general, I made written notes (by hand, with signature) to the seller in order to offer this material separately, mentioning the Sperati, Oneglia or Fournier of turn, and the characteristics of the particular forgery or forged cancel.
Well, he got three (or more, I can't recall) of his listing pulled by the 'ox' (or cow), and he complained with me over the phone. I made him re-list without mentioning the word 'fake' or 'forgery' but just with the name of the forger and 'no guarantee of authenticity'.
I find this utterly ridiculous, especially being conscious of the mole of material on eBay which is grossly misdescribed, with plenty of forged or faked items offered as genuine and perfect: honesty is punished by the system.


To the GB readers:
I read in an item description on eBay:
"[...]I always obtain proof of posting.[...]"
How can you get that, not making a registered (or insured) sending?
TIA!

Paolo
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1990 ) on Aug-26-07 at 14:17:05 PDT   Listings
Back from a local bourse; perhaps the first time I've taken a table at a show in two years. Right about the normal numbers, although a couple of my main customers didn't appear today. It seems that something always happens to take up the slack....

I prefer my stamps used, actually on cover. I'm much more of a cover guy than stamp guy. When I am buying stamps these days, it's mostly mint though not exclusively. Generally, I'm buying for thematic purposes and those are usually preferred mint.
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 14:05:08 PDT   Listings
Milenko… Amazing exhibit. I had no idea there was a “War of the Pacific” so I read up on it thanks to Google. I learned something today.

What medal were you awarded when you exhibited? Again, it is beautifully done, with wonderful material.

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-26-07 at 14:03:57 PDT   Listings
Good day all!

Milenko,
Even though you said you sold it,
congratulations on your wonderful exhibit in Exponet!

Paul (Philaweb),
Great postal history & views from Riga!
Nice to see you posting!

Peter,
Welcome back!

1covers,
That was the deepest writing I read in a while.

NOIP,
Interesting discussion and images on Qatar overprints and everything else.

Paolo
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Aug-26-07 at 13:19:09 PDT   Listings
Hi to everyone.
Been on holiday in Somerset and Cornwall so catching up on the board will try and post later on mint v used. Went down to Lands End one day and was amazed to find an exhibition of DR Who props, the kids were in their element but confess so was Dad.
The dogs were not impressed by the first and last post box in England:-)



Peter


Posted by lluehhhb   ( 292 ) on Aug-26-07 at 12:23:07 PDT   Listings
used v/s unused

I'm a fan of used stamp. I'm more a cancel collector than a stamp collector!

When I started to collect seriously, I started with Chile first issues, where the color variations are the important thing: There are little variety of cancels on these (any non-mute standard cancel is an accident and against regulations).

In a year or so I got bored of colors and started with cancels. I managed to build a decent collection of 1879-1884 Pacific war cancels, among other specializations.

Now I'm more inclined to postal history and the study of rates. For the last months I've been searching the 1960-2007 Chilean rates and it has been a lot of fun and work.

So, in this scenario, unused stamps aren't very interesting to me.

I exhibited my pacific war collection some time ago and then I decided to sell it. I scanned it before selling and now it's in Exponet, here. Undoubtly, the money is in the cancels and not in the standard stamps. This is more notorious in the Peru stamps overprinted with a Chilean seal (Third frame, from the third page on). A lot of stamps were overprinted but soon they were forged to cheat the post office, so they were retired from circulation. A quite small number was used, so the prices for used ones are way higher than the unused ones.

A large unused stock was sold in 1897 by the Peruvian government. Most of these stamps were cancelled to order with a CDS specially made for that (the one in the page 3, "CORREOS DEL PERU / LIMA"). That's the one you'll see everytime in these stamps (there are other forged cancels but they're less common).

I managed to get a good number of real used ones. the highlights are the 20c lake and a cover, both major rarities. I got them in eBay in 1997 or so, when the competition was quite small and bargains were common. The 20c came in a mixture from Germany (quite cheap) and the cover came from Canada and costed me $100 (about 1/10 of its real value, if not less). Good times!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8509 ) on Aug-26-07 at 12:08:47 PDT   Listings
flip,

re the Qatar,

I think you've got it right.

The key term in Gibbons description of how to tell the difference is ROUNDED CORNERS. If you check the extremeties of the letters A T U etc. the rounded corners stand out against the square corners of type I.

David B.
Posted by jarvisto   ( 707 ) on Aug-26-07 at 11:47:30 PDT   Listings
Thanks jaywild. I will try my luck again...

Vesa
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 292 ) on Aug-26-07 at 11:35:33 PDT   Listings
djs127

The archives are in the eusc site (www.iusc.org), you'll find there an "Archives" link, altough the site seems to be offline right now.

If you're looking for messages from this week (Aug 20-26), I'll update that file on monday or tuesday I think.
Posted by gwm544   ( 4 ) on Aug-26-07 at 11:00:49 PDT   Listings
I am trying to locate a stamp seller who used to list on ebay and i use to buy from, his name was john gecik. Last word i had was that he retired and moved. Any info provided would be appreciated.

George Murphy georgewmurphy111@worldnet.att.net
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Aug-26-07 at 10:38:50 PDT   Listings
Used stamps are usually more valuable when the country issuing them has a very small population and the PO does not overfinance its economy by CTO'ing mint left-over stamps.

Hence tiny islands like the Solomon Islands generally have more valuable used stamps.
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 10:28:52 PDT   Listings
jarvisto… Think of eBay as a big, dumb ox. Sometimes when you want the ox to do one thing, you have to fool it into thinking it is doing something else.

Don’t use the word “fake” anywhere in your lot description. Say instead “I’m pretty sure some of these stamps are not genuine”. Some words are like red flags, and you know how oxen act when a red flag is waved anywhere near them, even if it happens to be merely Farmer Jones taking out his red hanky to blow his nose. An ox would never understand the difference.

?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 10:10:01 PDT   Listings
220man… Thanks. The short tie is fairly easy to spot. Yes, I surely would like a copy of anything relevant. I especially want to see enlargements of the differences in the “15” as well. I will “message” you my address.

Jim
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-26-07 at 10:05:23 PDT   Listings
Hey I looked at those 3 Qatar stamps again, (after taking a few hours needed break) and I agree now that the bottom stamp is the only type II. It's a thinner font. It's easier to see if you look at the whole overprint vs. overprint instead of trying to do a letter by letter comparison.

I guess you really need both types available to tell on that one!
Posted by jarvisto   ( 707 ) on Aug-26-07 at 09:44:18 PDT   Listings
Hello everyone

My listing was just removed because I mentioned that this Japan collection has fakes as they usually has but I don´t know which stamps I know nothing about japanese stamps.

Is there anyway list collections on ebay anymore? what should I say on my listing to be able list this japan collection again.

Thanks, Vesa
Posted by 220man   ( 156 ) on Aug-26-07 at 09:26:49 PDT   Listings
Jaywild: Forgot to include the booklet 1288B which I call the short tie variety. I have a lot of printed stuff from the APS library on the Holmes issues. If you want I could burn copies and snail them to you.
Phil
Posted by hungaryjim   ( 915 ) on Aug-26-07 at 08:43:31 PDT   Listings
Hi All: Regarding this months meeting topic, I personally collect both mint and used stamps for the following reasons.

USED-I'm always on the lookout for clear town cancels and complete dates. I have an ongoing collection of town cancels of my favorite country of Hungary and include the early issues of Austria with town cancels having usage in Hungary.

MINT-I still keep up with new issues of Hungary and subscribe to a new issue service for these year sets. I've also recently starting collecting the country of Austria and have separate albums for mint and used, from the beginning year of 1850 up to the late 1970s.

Finally, I'm also a world-wide stamp collector, 1840 to 1940 for used, and up to the '70s for mint. So for me, both mint and used stamps are acceptable.

Jimbo2
Posted by flip138   ( 389 ) on Aug-26-07 at 08:19:08 PDT   Listings
Qatar afficionados

I've uploaded a large (0.9 Mb) file of my castle overprints, type I on top, type II underneath (I think!).

Qatar link

Phil
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-26-07 at 08:17:06 PDT   Listings
220man… Thanks very much for the Oliver Wendell Holmes TYPE I & TYPE II comparisons. I didn’t realize they were that similar, in fact the two are practically identical. I will have to study my examples very closely.

Jeff-Raff... Happy Anniversary, dear…

?

Io... Nice ice(land)!!!

Jim
Posted by djs127   ( 599 ) on Aug-26-07 at 07:50:52 PDT   Listings
What is the URL for archives of this board? I saw from work that some people responded earlier in the week to my post last Sunday but they scrolled off when I checked last night.
David Snyder
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 412 ) on Aug-26-07 at 07:34:22 PDT   Listings
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Posted by 1covers   ( 1368 ) on Aug-26-07 at 06:37:07 PDT   Listings
A stamp is only as valuable (mint, used, on cover) as the places it takes your mind.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Aug-26-07 at 05:33:17 PDT   Listings
I am always seeking out USED stamps with scarcer postmarks and date cancels from post offices that were short lived. I love that part of the hunt.

I also enjoy collecting MINT comemmorative or definitive stamps either NH or LH in complete sets. They can be a joy to behold and give information regarding postal rates for a given time period.

Riff Chaff
Posted by philaweb   ( 266 ) on Aug-26-07 at 05:29:20 PDT   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

Nothing special.

Posted by lou4cards   ( 439 ) on Aug-26-07 at 04:59:08 PDT   Listings
My name is Lou and I'm a space filler. I've been clean for 7 days.

I collect both mint and used. I enjoy the used more than mint. I do not mix the two. I also have a binder for CTO.
My grand daughter seems to like the CTO for her collection of horses, dinos, flowers and like.

I buy on e-bay for an old timer (ex merchant marine) who started his collecting while traveling. He does not have or want a computer. His beloved collection is of mint sheets from places he has been. He has binders and binders of mint sheets from all over the world. He has small notes of what happened when he bought them. ex "Had to leave early due to storm coming. In hurry to leave left without new coustom suit I had made. It was still is at the shop 3 months later waiting for me to pickup." He loves to go through piles of stamps taking out what he likes. He then looks up some history or facts about the subject on the stamp. He then puts the stamp and what he found out on a 5 x 8 index card.



Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1384 ) on Aug-26-07 at 03:34:02 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

Jim L.

member
Posted by malolo   ( 850 ) on Aug-26-07 at 02:42:41 PDT   Listings
cc4db -
You find your favorite album page or cover and place in front of you on your desk. You then stand up with your hand on the item and say three times as quickly as you can, "I've licked hinges." You need a witness and reference to qualify for multiple posts on this Board.

Once you have followed the above rules, you scroll down this page and click on the "Philatelic Links and Other Resources" in the Yellow Boxes. That takes you to a link for Associations and Clubs open menu and Voila! You will find a row of links along the top of the page under "Stamp Users" which reads "Join Us!"

Of course if you fail the "lick hinge" pretest, it's unlikely you'll be able to find the links. Good luck and I welcome you to the Club. BTW - The membership roster is by eBay ID.

Roger
Fifth President of the eBay Users Stamp Club.
Posted by cc4db   ( 20 ) on Aug-26-07 at 01:08:20 PDT   Listings
Quick question, how do I join the ebay users stamp club?

Thank you for your help.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 641 ) on Aug-25-07 at 23:36:27 PDT   Listings
Nice to see all the related EUSC posts.
I will not be around much tomorrow as my daughter is being ordained and we have a party afterwards.

I was curious that no one has noted any U.S. stamps that are worth more used than mint. While many other countries have many examples the U.S. has few. Still there are some it would be interesting to see how many ya'll can come up with.
I like mint or used but prefer not to mix sets. I could care less about gum but that of course is the most valueable part of a "unused" stamp, go figure???
Unused stamps without gum are seldom worth more than used.
A nice, clear "SON CDS" rules the roost for me, especially in a color other than Black.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 23:26:13 PDT   Listings
Here are the 3 stamps together. It didn't help me at all, I give up on this. But now someone with sharper eyes might have the answer?
Posted by oggilby   ( 1227 ) on Aug-25-07 at 21:58:56 PDT   Listings
A quick post between storms!

This is almost as annoying as the high tech items once posted in the stamps catagory!

Gotta go, another line coming through, lots of good cloud-to-cloud bolts to watch.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-25-07 at 21:15:13 PDT   Listings
RAINIER------The Stanley Gibbons catalog is clear,TYPE I is bolder and thicker letters .TYPE II are thinner letters .

We have JAY here and maybe someone else who can cut and paste both scans together to one picture .That would be the way to convince you .Its easy for me to bring up your scan and compare .But im not the type to disagree with anyone, OK,if you say so. ......paul

Posted by 22028   ( 1644 ) on Aug-25-07 at 20:45:38 PDT   Listings
Thanks to all the answers and suggestions about the Qatar overprints. To be honest, now i know as much as before..., there are so many different opinions, however, based on the catalog description in SG and Michel i believe mine are from type II...

Paul, thanks for the scan..., but, again, based on the catalogue description, i feel yours are type I and mine are type II...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Aug-25-07 at 20:33:51 PDT   Listings
Rainier,Dragonstamps,David B. and Flip138 Here is the scan to answer your questions and discussion .Rainier your scan is of type I , here is a scan of the type II.These are from my collection .QATAR .....PAUL
Posted by dbenson   ( 8509 ) on Aug-25-07 at 19:15:43 PDT   Listings
It is a matter of choice whether one collects mint, used, cto, covers, postal history or the myriad types of collecting that is available. Personally I like multiples especially if there are variances between different positions on the sheet and they can be either mint or used. I also like to obtain each stamp that was issued on a cover used for the purpose it was issued for.

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-25-07 at 19:08:46 PDT   Listings
Mint vs. Used? prexie never-hinged sets (such as this short set) can be had for pretty cheap, since so many of them were saved over the years. But some usages can be very scarce. Among the ones I have are—

  • International air parcel post. Tony Wawrukiewicz has broken down the rate for me since I mounted this piece on its album page, I just haven’t updated the page.
  • A very scarce parcel post surcharge 12¢ prexie solo usage.
  • Lastly, a very, very hard to find correct, appropriate period solo usage of the 14¢ prexie.
I hope to gather together some more items to show tomorrow. Been too busy woodworking today for stamps…

Jim
Posted by djs127   ( 599 ) on Aug-25-07 at 19:06:13 PDT   Listings
I have been collecting stamps since I was 8 and inherited my father's worldwide stamp collection 15 years ago when he passed away. My father collected used and mint stamps which he mounted on 3 holed xerox paper which he placed into binders by country or alphebtically for countries he had few stamps of.
When my father passed away I took hundreds of his stamp exchange sheets and sold them to a dealer at an upstate New York stamp show. I took the money and purchased some scott international pages and binders. I then started to remount my father's collection (which I still have not finished completely).

My father had more used stamps than mint so I mounted mostly used stamps in the internationals. This left me with pages of mint stamps still on xerox pages. I started purchasing scott specialty pages on Ebay for a few countries and put some of the mint stamps in them. Other countries which he had only a few mint stamps of I started to sell on Ebay.
Recently I purchased some Scott Brown reproduction pages which I am slowly intergrating into my international albums. When I remount the used stamps I will take the Scott international volume I pages and begin a worldwide 1840-1940 mint collection.

So in summary I collect used (using hinges) and mint stamps (some are already hinged by my father and others are in mounts) and also First day covers of Palestine, Israel, some US, Judaica topics, Great Britain and UN. I buy and sell on Ebay and do 1-2 stamp shows in New Jersey each year.

I like older used stamps pre 1940 especially and enjoy breaking down old collections and dealer lots.
David Snyder
Staten Island New York
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 18:42:49 PDT   Listings
jaywild: Are you saying that If I put 50 cents worth of mint 5 cent US. Commodore Matthew C. Perry July 14,1853 5 cent green and first anchorage off Tokyo stamp it cant be used as US. postage?
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-25-07 at 18:33:37 PDT   Listings
NOIP… I should have added that when the Perry stamp, mentioned in my last post, was issued, US domestic postage was 3¢ an ounce, so the Perry 5¢ stamp had almost no uses for domestic postage.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 973 ) on Aug-25-07 at 18:31:14 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Most US stamps issued during the 1950s aren’t worth beans either mint or used, such as Scott 1021, a 5¢ stamp commemorating the centenary of the “opening” of Japan in 1853. But to find them used properly in period and on cover is not so easy to do.

Jim
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 18:28:23 PDT   Listings
palo: Well said. ~~~ James
Posted by 220man   ( 156 ) on Aug-25-07 at 16:39:09 PDT   Listings
bob in Wa: Used cover, but interesting.
Also non-philatelic usage.
Phil (also in Wa)
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Aug-25-07 at 16:39:03 PDT   Listings
I collect Mint-Used
that is a stamp that the obliterator cds missed entirely.

Best of both worlds.

Posted by rclwa   ( 971 ) on Aug-25-07 at 16:21:35 PDT   Listings
Mint v Used -- I prefer unused for stamps in albums, whether thematic, country, or whatever. In addition to single stamps, I also like to find multiples, and proofs and essays.

I do not get excited about the gum side, however, and in fact love to save money when a stamp with uncommonly gorgeous centering and color is still cheap for lack of pristine gum.

I also enjoy postal history and uses and rates, and for that not only want used but on cover, in the correct time, using the correct rate, but non-philatelic. Off-cover used stamps, especially with indistinct smudge cancels, hold less interest for me, and I also subscribe to the ''until I can find a mint one'' philosophy for those.

A new factor in this debate is the advent of self-stick stamps, and as far as I know the jury is still out on the best way to collect them unused, whether to try to preserve the gum or to remove it, and if so how. We may not yet know the long term effects of the various chemical formulas used for these, and there may be some interesting surprises in decades to come. The first US self-stick, the 1975 Christmas 10 center, is now mostly seen as mottled and stained, and a flawless copy from which the gum was prudently removed in time may turn out to be a late 21st century rarity. Same story for many current items? Only time will tell.

Used stamps that are worth more than their mint counterparts are especially challenging to find on authentic covers sometimes. Some of the cheapest wallpaper that was designed for collectors may have seen very limited authentic use, even that contrived by collectors, and make for rather scarce and desirable covers.

Bob in WA
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 15:22:01 PDT   Listings
Roger: My father once received a few pages of mint Canadian stamps from an auction. KGVI era.
They were very very nice. Very pretty.
I saw the merits of collecting mint stamps that day!
I still prefer used, but I don't "dislike" mint stamps.
Posted by malolo   ( 850 ) on Aug-25-07 at 15:16:34 PDT   Listings
Paolo -
Good answer to Saphilatelics. I commented off Board as I don't wish to get anyone in trouble. ),>)
It is an interesting use and my best guess is that the Basel Type could have been in use on incoming mail which would explain its scarcity. People in Basel would have thrown away most incoming items unless they were different as is this example. This actually could be an example that demonstrates why Basel cancels didn't go all over the world. I have them mostly on local delivered items.
I have a few of this type now and have a couple in my new exhibit. Next on the agenda is preparing a single frame of the story and a Power Point presentation, which I've never done before! Then getting the new exhibit uploaded and working.

Roger
It's still a work day. My vote is for used stamps on cover. Though the prettiest pages I've ever seen were mint GV colonial sets - a complete album full. Breathtaking, and used couldn't compare.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 15:04:39 PDT   Listings
Phil: Tou've got both types, so I'd have to go with what you're saying. David Benson is right about the SG information. It needs to be upgraded. The two overprints they show are VERY similar. I'd say they are closer to the same than the 2 scans available to the forum.
But I agree, the scans look similar except for the "5".
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:40:43 PDT   Listings
James,
I read your posts and I fully understand & respect your point.
However, the currency inflation might as well ought to be taken in consideration as a factor in these terms:
what could you pay with 2 cents in 1945, and what can you pay now?
(Furthermore, between brackets, not every philatelist posting here is from or collects USA, me being one of the exceptions.)

Greetings,
Paolo
Posted by flip138   ( 389 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:38:42 PDT   Listings
dragonstamps

For what my opinion is worth, I think your Qatar overprint is a type I - the bottom of the T goes pretty much straight across and has sharp corners. On my type II, the bottom of the T is rounded off.

It's difficult to give one simple distinguishing feature, because individual letters may be inked to varying degrees even on stamps from the same printing.

Phil
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:32:17 PDT   Listings
I beg to differ: Mint USA stamps Do not have a term of validy, lol The face worth might not equal the increased cost of sending a letter, But the mint 2 cent US stamp will always be worth 2 cents face value.. ~~~~ James
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:28:43 PDT   Listings
Saphilatelics,
You're most welcome.
I strongly suggest, though, to wait for Roger's (malolo) response, whom I take the chance of personally inviting to share his educated guesses or conclusions.

All the best,
Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:24:27 PDT   Listings
Not that I fully agree with it.
Two of my specialties are Sicily 1859 and the 100 lire 'family' Issue of 1945.
These are amongst the Issues richest of varieties I know.
Not forgetting the first Issue of Lombardy-Venetia.
An unused stamp of these can tell a fascinating story of its own.

Paolo
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 441 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:23:30 PDT   Listings
vonbag

thank you for the information, I knew there were some people around who collect Switzerland, just couldn't remember who.

Much obliged!
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:19:12 PDT   Listings
"a mint stamp is dead after its term of validity;
a used postage stamp can speak,
a cover can tell a story."

Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 14:12:44 PDT   Listings
The problem of which at mine of Aug-25-07 at 05:02:50 PDT has been solved!
Seller miraculously found my payment... after PayPal message.

Paolo
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:52:42 PDT   Listings
If anyone has trouble using copy/paste, I guess I can log on with Iexplorer and post it right. :(
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:48:30 PDT   Listings
This browser won't co-operate with using links, but I'm forced to use it.
Anyway, is that type I? It's supposed to be...
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:46:38 PDT   Listings
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/Dragonstamps/Qatar.jpg>Type1
Posted by philatarium   ( 236 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:45:50 PDT   Listings
mint vs used: I have evolved (or more accurately, expanded my perspective) over time.

Initially, I only collected mint stamps (US as a child; Japan as an adult), and considered a used stamp to be a poke in the eye that I couldn't afford a mint copy yet, especially when I was younger and the stamp budget was really tight.

I've moved beyond that, but I think it's still fair to say that I really, really enjoy seeing post-office fresh, unused stamps. Like Jim/iomoon said, to me, the cancel interferes with the design and beauty of the stamp.

(I am less concerned about gum, but I understand why some collectors would be as obsessive about the back of the stamp as the front.)

All that said, thanks to my exposure to other collectors, stamp societies and later on the internet, I have really come to appreciate cancellations. In the Japan Specialized catalog (JSCA) there are pages and pages of additional pricing information for cancellation types for definitives and early commemoratives, and this has intrigued me enormously (and forced me to brush up on my kanji-reading skills). (In fact, in the more recent editions of the JSCA, the cancellation (and on-cover) pricing guide is published in a separate volume from the main listings, so that a collector can take that along to the stamp shows.)

So, I've expanded my scope of what interests me in stamps, and I now appreciate both mint and used. Consider my vote a "both/and", rather than an "either/or".

Vive la différence!

(And I've also really come to appreciate stamps on cover, but that's another topic ...)
Posted by flip138   ( 389 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:39:06 PDT   Listings
I also have an outright forgery of the Qatar 10 rupee overprint - on a De la Rue basic Castle stamp! The Qatar overprints were only issued on Waterlow stamps. The font of the forgery is pretty close to the original, but the "Qatar 10 Rupees" is offset to the left. According to the study circle journal, only small numbers of this forgery exist so the reason for creating it is unclear.

I agree with David B and the other posters that the catalogue illustrations are not terrribly helpful. It is easier to identify the overprint type by comparison with reference copies, but it has taken me a lot of studying before I felt reasonably confident that I could distinguish them correctly.

Phil
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:38:44 PDT   Listings
Yeah you really need one of each types I+II right there with you to judge that one? I have a type I scan but the 5 on his looked a little different. The length of the bars is too tough to judge, because the scale is sort of unknown.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8509 ) on Aug-25-07 at 13:09:34 PDT   Listings
flip & 22028,

the problem with identifying the various types that were used Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar is that Gibbons does not show off the variances as much as they actually and they should replace them with better designs. I tend to agree with flip that they are type I but cannot ID them from your scan. Possibly if a scan of a single stamps instead of the piece might make it easier,

David B.
Posted by flip138   ( 389 ) on Aug-25-07 at 12:37:45 PDT   Listings
22028

Rainer, Although I am outvoted so far, I am pretty sure those Qatar 5 rupee stamps have the Type I overprint. The ends of the letters are more squared off on type I than on type II. I have a copy of each type, and yours look much more like my type I than my type II, especially the bottoms of the A's. Some day I will try and scan them together.

Phil
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 412 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:59:15 PDT   Listings
Mint vs Used

I am of the old school. Postage stamps have a purpose.

Mint stamps are like child's stickers, pretty labels.

Used stamps fulfilled their purpose and tell an additional story.

Gum is another story. Gum destroys stamps, causing cracks and invites bugs. Gum should be removed from stamps as it only causes deterioration. Some "Original Gum" is one of the most valuable commodities in the world.

Now I go and put on my asbestos overcoat.
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:37:19 PDT   Listings
consider this: Mint stamps are as good as money.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 473 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:31:52 PDT   Listings
I collect used most of the time. I also have mint stamps, sure, but used is my game.
A mint stamp never did the job it was made for. I guess that's my main reason. Also, collecting new WW stamps is too easy if you collect mint. All you need to do is sign up for new issue service. If that's what you want to do, that's fine for you.
It's not for me.
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:27:09 PDT   Listings
Belay that last question: If the used canceled stamp was on lets say, a post card from Ann Frank, I would say it would be worth far more than a mint German Hitler stamp.
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:10:29 PDT   Listings
I agree with what Jim (IO) wrote, even though I am not a thematic collector.
To have a plate characteristic or a plate flaw unobscured by an eventual cancel is alaways a positive thing.
On the other hand, in the case of the plate fault or retouch, used copies with dated cancels can help reconstruct the genesis and evolution of the plate defect over the time.

Paolo
Posted by riversniper   ( 90 ) on Aug-25-07 at 11:09:32 PDT   Listings
Question: I am thinking that each one of us that collect stamps has a special stamp that seems just out of reach. If you could have that special stamp and you had a choice, the choice being you could own the new mint stamp or the used stamp. Which would you choose?
I rest my case ~~~ James
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Aug-25-07 at 09:53:09 PDT   Listings
I prefer mint stamps for my thematic collection since they provide an unobscured view of the subject matter.

This view of Hofsjokull being an example.
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 09:14:24 PDT   Listings
What do I collect is written on my "me page".
As for the 'whys'.... ask to my psychiatrist LOL
Good continuation,
Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 09:11:15 PDT   Listings
One should always be careful with giving info. on genuine cancels (or overprints, for that matter), or on what the fake cancels differ from the original,
especially on a public forum, and especially on eBay.
Paolo (sayonara)
Posted by vonbag   ( 180 ) on Aug-25-07 at 09:05:07 PDT   Listings
FAKE cancels on GENUINE stamps:

A) Kgd. of Sardinia, 3 lire bright copper on thin paper:
Fake cancel_Napoli

B) Italy 1862, 80c. orange yellow:
Fake cancel_Livorno

Vaccari direct sales Catalogue value (2006/07):
A) unused, original gum: Euro 285,00 -- used, Euro 2100,00.
B) unused, original gum: Euro 40,00 -- used, Euro 1050,00.

Paolo


Posted by 220man   ( 156 ) on Aug-25-07 at 07:33:52 PDT   Listings
jaywild:
Type 1 [IMG]http://i14.tinypic.com/4kebjm0.jpg[/IMG]
Type 2 [IMG]http://i14.tinypic.com/67x83zl.jpg[/IMG]
Phil
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Posted by dove3ducks   ( 475 ) on Aug-25-07 at 07:01:20 PDT   Listings