eBay chatboard archive: Feb-18-08 to Feb-24-08 week

Posted by dbenson   ( 8872 ) on Feb-24-08 at 23:57:24 PST   Listings
krugerodd,

do you have Michel Germany Specialised, it gives a listing of the various types as well as many positional varieties,

David B.
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 22:35:06 PST   Listings
Jaywild: Thanks. I'll bookmark that page.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8872 ) on Feb-24-08 at 22:32:20 PST   Listings
Kumara,

if English is not your first language you should use the Ebay site which is,

David B.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 20:38:33 PST   Listings
Kumara

for Shipping enter what ever amount you
feel it will cost you.

where are you located
your location Might affect
what you want to charge
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:58:37 PST   Listings
KUMARA. first you need to learn to spell and type correctly so prospective buyers will be able to read your auctions, and find your stamp.
Then, you must go to the eBay Site Map (at top of page), and register as a seller, and learn from there how to sell by reading the links and doing the Sellers Tutorial.

After you have done that, you can scan your stamps, write your descriptions and upload them to eBay.
Posted by kumara503   ( 0 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:48:10 PST   Listings
I wont to sell my stamps. i jest wont to post how by. i can,t finesh my sell form becoues they wont to kwon how to sipping. plese help me to start to sell.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:39:15 PST   Listings
A pompous American?



Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:16:25 PST   Listings
12345etc..don't be such a Pompous A
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 18:33:51 PST   Listings
"any" should be "most"
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 17:45:29 PST   Listings
KRUGERODD Welcome to the chat room ,I don't believe any of the people who regular post here would even know what your talking about .

The control line is a very specialized field .Can you link a picture of what your talking about ,or I can link one to show new readers and collectors .

Posted by iomoon   ( 1062 ) on Feb-24-08 at 15:34:28 PST   Listings
Just came in from the garden.

The Turkey Vultures are back.

Two weeks early.

Another sign of global warming?
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 15:03:49 PST   Listings
BILL D

it seems like c-6
the number of holes is 2x
Posted by brad   ( 551 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:58:37 PST   Listings
Roger, thanks for additional info on those Swiss issues
Posted by wrd3   ( 104 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:54:05 PST   Listings
due2cents it's possible the perfin is a double punch of one of the two Carter White Lead perfin patterns - it would have to be C6, given the diamond shape and the diagonal lines of your pattern. C5 and C6 are for the Carter White Lead Company .... C5.5 is unidentified as to user.

Bill D.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:27:33 PST   Listings
or maybe

http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/Saar/index.htm
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:26:31 PST   Listings
Roger… If you clean your keyboard as Bill S suggests, perhaps take a picture of the board before you pop the key caps off. I know I couldn’t reassemble a keyboard from memory, even though I touch-type (more or less—a couple fingers don’t work as well as they used to, and have been dispensed with for this purpose…)

Lindy... I ran my DSR rating and it’s zero. I haven’t sold anything in years, long before they implemented the Detailed Seller Ratings.

krugerodd... Try looking up your stamps here. Site courtesy of Bill Claghorn.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:25:27 PST   Listings
krugerood

try here

http://www.sheryll.net/Forgeries/Germany/Forgeries_article_Germany.htm
Posted by krugerodd   ( 18 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:06:59 PST   Listings
I have bought some small collections of Saar stamps and have started to check for different types. I use Scott and find for Scott # 1 -17 that there are 3 types. Among my stamps there is one type where the overprint is 10.5 mm and not 10.7 without control marks under. Do anyone know about a websource for forgeries on this?
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 13:16:51 PST   Listings
Don't know if any of you have checked this out yet, I'm not sure how useful it is, but this is a site to check out the DSL rating of various eBay sellers. (DSL is the little yellow star ratings, which, soon, will determine where a sellers items show up on SEARCH. The higher the sellers ratings, they go to the top of searches, the low seller ratings, their items go to the bottom of the search!)

http://www.dsrwatch.com./

Linda
Posted by billsey   ( 889 ) on Feb-24-08 at 13:15:00 PST   Listings
Roger, I have cleaned many keyboard over the years. If you carefully pry off all the key caps, you can put them into a mesh bag and clean them in the dishwasher. In addition, you can usually take the keyboard apart and wash all the pieces in a dishwasher as well. Just make sure everything is thoroughly dry before reassembling it!
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 12:03:03 PST   Listings
I needed this one with the reply half still attached
HERE
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 11:27:35 PST   Listings
Jaywild -
Thanks for the link to the preview page. I see myself using that in the future. Now for an automatic spellchecker that doesn't require one to look at screen after typing text. Gees, I can't wait to get a new keyboard, every key is starting to stick. The "V" key even stays down, and the delete doesn't always operate. There will be a Kensington going to the dump in the near future. I did remove the Caps Lock key and beliieve it or not my speed has increased significantly.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:18:32 PST   Listings
Lloyd… There is a way to preview your messages prior to posting…

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3917 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:36 PST   Listings

gran- if complete sheets then try it, if not use them for postage

Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:26 PST   Listings
OK, consensus is to use them and so I will! Thanks all of you for your help! Grann poof
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1474 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:11 PST   Listings
Bookmark
Posted by iomoon   ( 1062 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:09:24 PST   Listings
Grann

If you were to sell them as a sheet of 35, the absolute most anyone is going to pay for them is $10.15 since they will also have to pay your S&H. Likewise a strip of five might bring you $1.45 to which you deduct eBay fees and Paypal transfer fee. It ain't worth the effort. Use them for postage!!
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:02:16 PST   Listings
Jaywild: Thanks for the advice. Back to my earlier question. Were I to try to sell the Olympics Stamps from 1992 would it work to sell as a sheet of 35 or to sell them as strips of 5. Grann lurking
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:59:49 PST   Listings
I have had a couple control Perfins on cards
but Due to the overwhelming demand
and instant kinda cashiness
I do not have them long when i do find one.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:58:14 PST   Listings
Jaywild
I may be wrong
but on the control perfins
not a design but the
combo
of numbers made by pin placements in a box area
....
.

. .
..


etc
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:55:23 PST   Listings
BILL D
Perfin ?
This stamp
HERE Is on a advert postal
Carter White Lead Paint Company

I have seen this card before
is this a Double punched version of their Perfin


Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:32:28 PST   Listings
I wish there were a way to preview messages before saving them
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:31:34 PST   Listings
AFDCS Receives $2,000 Grant For Education Programs

http://www.dragoncards.biz/art/AFDCS4.gif" ALIGN="RIGHT">The Martin Sosin/Stratton-Petit Foundation has awarded a $2,000 grant to the American First Day Cover Society (AFDCS) for its youth education program. The money will be used to promote youth cachet design and other youth activities.

It's the third year in a row the AFDCS has received a grant from the foundation.

"As Youth Coordinator for the American First Day Cover Society, I am thankful for the grant award which will help perpetuate education of our youth and instill future interest in our wonderful hobby," said Lee Taylor.

"In previous years, the grant money from the Martin Sosin/Stratton-Petit Foundation has been used to purchase art supplies and stamps for the creation of commemorative and first day covers," Taylor added. "The youth become interested cachetmaking through contests sponsored by local chapters of the American First Day Cover Society."

Each year, the AFDCS and its chapters sponsor the "Every Cover Has A Story" contest, which students taking a single philatelic cover and writing a one-page essay about it. The winning entries are displayed at the Society's annual convention, Americover, and the top entrant receives a Junior Membership in the AFDCS.

"Participation in these contests has steadily increased over the past three years with many young people entering repeatedly throughout the years," Taylor said.

The Society also has an active youth table at each Americover, with games, cachet-making opportunities and guidance from adult philatelists, many of whom have degrees in education.

In addition, two categories in the AFDCS' annual Cachet Contest are reserved for children.

The American First Day Cover Society, with more than 2300 members worldwide, promotes the study and collecting of FDCs, commemorative envelopes that serve as "birth certificates" for stamps. The stamps are affixed to the envelopes, and then postmarked on the first day they are available for sale.

The AFDCS was founded in 1955 and now has more than 48 chapters in the U.S. and Australia. Besides its annual convention, the AFDCS publishes reference materials, handbooks, produces its own first day covers (while encouraging members to produce their own), holds several auctions each year, and conducts the largest meeting and show dedicated to FDCs in the world. It also publishes the award-winning journal First Days eight times a year.

For more information about the AFDCS, visit its Web site at www.afdcs.org or write to the AFDCS at P.O. Box 16277, Tucson, AZ 85732, e-mail AFDCS@aol.com
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:12:31 PST   Listings
Grann… Yes, just use those stamps to spice up your mail. Virtually no US stamps printed after 1930 have any more than face value.

Bill D... Nice perfins. How were the control marks manipulated to create specific designs? Did the company order the coil stamps from Schermack, or was there a way to set the perfin design when the stamps were purchased from an automated dispensing machine?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 08:57:44 PST   Listings
Roger… But the margin is “just touching” the frameline—the inside of the frameline.



And poor Helvetia! That fright wig makes her look like one of these

Jim
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:21:15 PST   Listings
I have some of the 1947 3 cent stamps. Maybe a good way to add to some old 39 centers to make the new May rate of 42 cents. Grann
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:19:10 PST   Listings
Yes, Due, I have been thinking I will do that with some of these. No other suggestions? Grann lurk
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:16:56 PST   Listings
chrisfrrary

i use them on packages
Posted by wrd3   ( 103 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:15:49 PST   Listings
stamps12345 if you have the US specialized catalog, in the section of "Vending and Affixing Machine Perforations" it states "Perfins listed here are punched into the tamp at the same time as the perforation. The most common pattern consisted of a 7mm square made up of nine holes. Pins would be removed to create unique perfins for each company using the machines." These are the control holes I mention .... in the catalog they are listed as "with perforated control mark". The stamp in the lot I linked earlier is shown here. Note it is part of a 4 x 4 pattern, not the more common 3 x 3 pattern, which is part of why it is scarce.

Listening to NPR on the way home from work Friday I thought of you ..... they had a story about the potholes in the Chicago streets and the amount of damage they do to cars.

Bill D.
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:10:31 PST   Listings
I'll come back. Grann poof
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:05:19 PST   Listings
Good morning. I usually lurk over at Q&A board. Happened upon a cache of never used U.S. stamps yesterday that I purchased in the 1990s, thinking they might be interesting. Three sheets of 35 stamps each are from the 1992 Summer (1) and Winter (2) olympics. My question: it is better to try to sell the full sheet of 35 stamps or to take them apart and sell strips of 5? I have other questions, but this will do for first question. Grann
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 06:53:24 PST   Listings
BILL D. Thanks for the heads up on my daugthers engagment.----will try to post a picture .

What are control holes on the Shermack stamp? ,

Posted by wrd3   ( 103 ) on Feb-24-08 at 06:36:23 PST   Listings
NOIP some more perfins I got on eBay this past week: this lot has an A+ rated Shermack with control holes. I've received that lot and the stamp is fault-free. I took a chance on this lot. The resolution of the image isn't very good, but I think it has a B+ perfin, P25.5, as opposed to the similar patterns. I'm looking forward to receiving it (hopefully this upcoming week) to confirm.

Bill D.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:48:14 PST   Listings
"Well Roger, that was all very interesting. If Benson hadn't interrupted you would have had 6 posts in a row."

"He was doing his duty."

"Do you consider your discourse an open discussion, or a debate of one?"

"Guess I'll just go to bed before someone else interrupts and say "Hi" tomorrow. Aloha All"

LOL.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:42:39 PST   Listings
This =
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170192786501
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:39:43 PST   Listings
BTW -
This arrived in the mail today. I have to work up the rate. It is linen fabric printed and used as label. I've not seen this type of item previously.

and I bought this today. A nice addition to my exhibit of Swiss Razor Cancels.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:25:11 PST   Listings
David -

And my typing is only marginally legible. Sorry folks, I just got home from work and wanted to contribute before sleeping in tomorrow morning.

Did anyone ask, "Roger, do you like collecting Swiss stuff?" LOL
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:21:27 PST   Listings
I forgot to mention that the threads were imbedded in th epaper on theback. What are the possible variations?
Single thread -
A dye missing in green threads resulting in either blue or yellow colored thread.
Thread pulled out meaning one must know characteristcs of printing. A few stamps are impossible to identify if thread missing because they came from same printing plate.

Two threads -
Nice variety. Threads will be at top and bottom, spacing got screwed up in printing process. (Should always be one thread per stamp. )

Green thread and grill cancel means stamp from early printings. Green thread with CDS means stamp from late printing. Threads of multicolor should be self explanatory.

Thin paper -
A quality control issue where the inspectors pulled thin paper and the sheets were stored in the vualts. Later in late 1855 and 1856 these sheets of stamps wer taken from the vaults and issued as necessary to maintain inventory levels at post offices. The thin paper was not a special printing, therefore, the thickness of the thin HANDMADE paper has no specific thickness other tha nit felt wrong to quality control personnel. Don't buy thin paper varieties unless you really know the other characteristics of the printing! Once you have a few dozen Strubels and have measured them with a micrometer and know the standard p[aper thickness of each issue, then you are prepared to "invest" in thin paper versions. );>)

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:12:56 PST   Listings
roger,

your Strubel illustrations are only marginally different,

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:10:13 PST   Listings
Aloha -

Strubels (1854 - 1862) and Perforated Sitting Helvetia (1862 - 1882) Should not be any chance of confusion if perfs cut off Sitting Helvetias.

Large and small Strubels. Image area is identical. The small stamp is almost worthless and really shouldn't be purchased individually.The stamp on the right is a nice copy with the top left corner just touching the frame line. Do not be fooled that the stamp on the left is "just touching frame" as I 've seen some descriptions on eBay.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by 22028   ( 1688 ) on Feb-24-08 at 02:19:27 PST   Listings
Talking about Strudel.., I still remember the Strudel prepared by my late grandmother..., the used to prepare the Austrian version of Strudel (thin apple slices instead of small apple cubes as in the Munich version)..., to be eaten with warm vanilla gravy which contained egg white flakes.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-24-08 at 01:13:49 PST   Listings
Prometheus,
I used to eat lots of Strudel. The rest I don't know.

Anyone who collects stamps and has a minimum of good sense can perceive the difference between the Swiss Issues of 1854/1862 (called Sitzende Helvetia or better Strubeli: "ruffled up hair") and those of 1862/82 Sitzende Helvetia Gezähant (= Sitting Helvetia perforated). Any discussion on how to find the differences is worthless, in my opinion.

Amongst the latter, here is a new purchase of mine:
http://i27.tinypic.com/23abg1.jpg
block of ten top left sheet margin, positions 1-2, 11-12, 21-22, 31-32, 41-42 in the sheet of 100.
It's the 40c. grey of 1881 (extremely common in unused condition) on granite paper; position 41 show the plate fault of which at Zumstein N. 50.2.01.
Scan Ă  la "assfaul" with certificate below.

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 22:50:55 PST   Listings
Jay, most likely the 1st. stamp the plate was over inked and the 2nd. stamp underinked,

David B.
Posted by 22028   ( 1688 ) on Feb-23-08 at 22:48:22 PST   Listings
APS members.... have you already voted for your favorite article published in the American Philatelist of 2007? Deadline is March 1st.
http://www.stamps.org/Services/MuellerAward.htm
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 20:41:10 PST   Listings
Paul… The stamp you showed was simply poorly printed. Either the paper was too dry or the plate was overwiped. All of the design detail is light—for example, the line around CENTS is absent altogether.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 20:24:09 PST   Listings
NEAT FIND ----Found while working on China ,looks like someone try to repair the corner around the "2".. PLATE DAMAGED....paul
Posted by postalviews   ( 4394 ) on Feb-23-08 at 18:34:29 PST   Listings
I have a ca. 1960s Romania imperf that catalogs something like DM 300.- and by direct comparison it is quite clearly larger than a trimmed perfed stamp could be. But it is not in a pair, and it has no wing margins, so nobody wants it. :(
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:34:05 PST   Listings
Generalisations shouldn't be used to determine whether a stamp has been trimmed, each item should be taken on it's merits or demerits. Real Experts (with a capital E) and not so called experts (with a small e) can easily tell whether a stamp has been trimmed,

David B.
Posted by srailkb   ( 3188 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:12:26 PST   Listings
big_bird, sometimes you can conclusively determine that an imperf is a trimmed perforated stamp. Certain characteristics such as color, design type, die state and/or plating information can be exclusive to one or the other. Also, many trimmed perforated stamps are cut right along the edge of the perf holes to give the largest margins possible. Under high magnification, you can often see evidence of those perf holes, even if it's nothing more than a pressure ridge.

It would be much more helpful if you linked to a good (600 dpi) scan to one of the stamps in question. For example, on the 1851-57 US imperforates, the 5c must be type I and within a specific range of red brown shades. The wrong type or wrong shade and you "guarantee" it's a trimmed 1861, no matter what size the margins are.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:11:15 PST   Listings
ALEC

Do you only wish to see Infa covers in the period you like
or all/
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:05:10 PST   Listings
Paul;
Sorry, I meant to write:
the first and fourth are imperf.

Glen
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:04:08 PST   Listings
paul;

The second and third stamps are imperfs.

How simple can it be?

Glen
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:59:49 PST   Listings
Paul - yes, they are very different when examined. However, a real newbie might be fooled by trimmed perfs, with no stamps to compare. The more difficult stamps are early Wurttemburgs, that come with and without both silk threads and perfs.


Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:55:30 PST   Listings
just being humerous Paolo

a play on woids

strubels-strussel( coffee-cake)
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:34:44 PST   Listings
WOW ---None of the experts wanted to agree with me about those SWISS stamps ,guess they only have something to say if im wrong but never if im right .......so lets have the others decide .

I Q test for NEW READERS and COLLECTORS .........Here are both the perforated and unperforated SITTING HELVETIA, if someone cuts the perfs off would you have trouble telling the differance ??????now don't study them too hard ...... DIFFERANCE IN PERF. and UNPERF......paul

Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:28:59 PST   Listings
Thanks to all for the info about the silk threads.

Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:14:19 PST   Listings
Jim
I believe the stamp on the right is imperf. As Richard Friedburg in his book "Introduction to US revenue stamps" writes "The genuine first issue revenue imperforates are, with the exception those stamps printed in green ink, duller in shade than the later printings of the first-issue revenues."

Glen
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:01:27 PST   Listings
Glen… This is the individual who pulled your post. As you can see, he’s not the sharpest tool in the box…

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:57:40 PST   Listings
Glen… Here is a comparison between a R84c and my “R84a”, at right. The blue bracket is the same size for both stamps, and measures the size of the paper on the imperf one. As can be seen, if the stamp were a cut-down perfed variety, it couldn’t be as tall as it is.

Likewise, the color at the right is typical of first-issue drab colors, while the stamp on the left is much more in keeping with the stronger colors used in later printings which were perforated.

Nevertheless, an expertizer could look at the stamp at right, compare my evidence and yet remain unconvinced.

One of these days I will get around to sending the imperf in for a cert.

Jim
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:54:59 PST   Listings
My posting was reemoved for the following reason:

"Advertising merchandise, auctions, services or commercial Web sites, including
offers to trade, "wanted" posts, or charitable solicitations. For
clarification of this policy, please visit this page:
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=410492031"

NOT TRUE, The posting was nothoing of the above.

Glen
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:49:28 PST   Listings
Hello Prometheus,
Would you be so kind as to explain the hidden (to me) meaning of your last assertion?

Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:47:03 PST   Listings
My message on eBay was just removed by them. They didn't like what I had to say. Sorry I said that.

Glen
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:46:33 PST   Listings
MMM Swiss Strubels and a hot cup o joe
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:42:39 PST   Listings
Why do I always step onto this kind of crap?

That is the question!

Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:42:09 PST   Listings
Jim:
I just sell, not buy, as I find most items for sale are over priced. But the newbes buy,,,(I dont think I know how to spell newbes)
Glen
Posted by postalviews   ( 4394 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:39:13 PST   Listings
You guys are making me dream of my long lost Streubels ....
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:37:23 PST   Listings
Jim
I agree. But how does an expert decide that it's an imperf or not?

That is the question. NO?

And what is an expert? I've been collecting stamps for 50 years,. Does that make me an expert?
I guess no as no one knows me. I guess....!!!
Glen
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:31:41 PST   Listings
ASSUMPTIONS ------Why don't you read what you posted or better ,why not delete your posting so others don't see your error-------WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SWISS stamps
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:31:38 PST   Listings
Glen… My view of Stamp Wants is that all the dreck-sellers from eBay flocked over there en masse. I have never found anything worthwhile over there, but that’s just my experience.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:29:43 PST   Listings
Glen… The important point in verifying imperforate stamps, when all other variables are equal, is that it would have to pass muster with an expertizer. If it can possibly be a cut-down version, it will never get a reputable certificate as an imperf.

For example, this would be very pricey if it were a genuine imperf. All the tests I have done comparing it with perfed types indicate that it is a real imperf, so does the color, but without a certificate I could not honorably sell it as such.

Just my 2¢…

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:27:36 PST   Listings
brad,

that is the imbedded silk thread as seen from the face of the stamp,

David B.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:26:25 PST   Listings
"VONBAG ------You just gave bad information thats all ,just say it was wrong like a man ,never mind the smart -mouth remarks"

Be silent, do not waste the board space with your blatantly erroneous assumptions.

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:24:02 PST   Listings
VONBAG ------You just gave bad information thats all ,just say it was wrong like a man ,never mind the smart -mouth remarks
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:22:12 PST   Listings
"BAD INFORMATION AGAIN " LIKE CLASSIC BRUCE WROTE " wrote????------wrong wrong There is no way a person can misidentify a perf sitting Helvetia for a imperf copy or the other way around ... what is a certain METHOD of telling .....shees ---- what are you saying ......"

An apology or permanent silence are both in order!

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:20:32 PST   Listings
...You are making confusion between Glen's question on USA first Issue (about which I know nothing) and what ClassicBruce wrote on Swiss Issues...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:18:00 PST   Listings
BIG BIRD ----Your right but im thinking as a collector ,as to what I would look for ,its just my view point .
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:16:43 PST   Listings
Stamps12345, take a camomile or be silent.

Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:15:19 PST   Listings
P.S. Brad,
The one you have just shown, the 15 Rappen pink (rosa, in German like in Italian) is very defective, being cut into the bottom part with denomination in Rappen considerably.
Howevere the circular date stamp is interesting,
"CASTASEGNA" double circle with ornament at bottom dated
"23 / FEV. / 61" (23 Februrary 1861).

You can easily notice the relief left by the silk thread by the horizontal riff passing through the C of CENTIMES on the left, and tangent the left of the M of CENTESIMI on the right side.

Cheers, Paolo
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:14:45 PST   Listings
BAD INFORMATION AGAIN " LIKE CLASSIC BRUCE WROTE " wrote????------wrong wrong There is no way a person can misidentify a perf sitting Helvetia for a imperf copy or the other way around ... what is a certain METHOD of telling .....shees ---- what are you saying ......
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:05:32 PST   Listings
stamps12345

I have been using that logic and refuse to purchase stamps that appear to have margins less then the size of an perforated stamp. However, Imperfs CAN have short margins.

Glen
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:04:48 PST   Listings
Brad- that looks like a fine example of a silk thread. The threads are usually fairly thick (like dental floss, maybe), though the silk color is easier to tell from the reverse side...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:56 PST   Listings
BIG BIRD ----Any imperf stamp that is also known with perforations should only be collected or purchased only with margins that exceed the size of the perforated copies.Anything less is questionable .
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:34 PST   Listings
Hello Brad,
On Sitzende Helvetia Issues there is always a horizontal silk thread embedded in the paper. Their colours vary, depending on the printings, like ClassicBruce wrote (hello there!).
Position of the silk thread may vary within the stamp as well, and, when removed, there are stamps without the silk thread, which in my opinion should be regarded as defective.
Ruger is the resident specialist on these Issues.

Greetings,
Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:09 PST   Listings
I have a lot of Swiss, and I've never seen one (an imperf sitting Helvetia) without the silk thread. Nor have I seen a perf sitting Helvetia with a thread, so I believe it's a certain method of telling a cut-down perfed stamp.


The thread varies in placement on the imperfs, but is usually in the middle to upper part of stamp...

BTW,thanks for the Certified advice - I've asked the seller what he means, in the meantime.

Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:58:35 PST   Listings
Here is one where I see the line on the front.

It does not seem to be perfectly straight like the edge of a plastic strip on a stock card.
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:50:25 PST   Listings
I guess what I'm rearly asking is how to do you tell a genuine imperf that has close margins from a perforated one that has been cut down to look like an imperf.

Glen
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:45:52 PST   Listings
United States first Issue imperforate stamps.

From my research genuine first issue imperforated revenue stamps were printed on hard thin paper. In fact, all first issues were printed on this paper until about 1863 More or less.

I've had collectors return stamps that I considered to be imperf. using this logic, when the stamp had very close margins, stating that they don't believe the stamp is imperf. but may had been cut down.

Any opinions on this.

Glen
Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:45:02 PST   Listings
Does the position vary up or down significantly? That is to say, does it typically run through the middle of the stamp? Is it possible to find a copy without it, or were the threads spaced such that it hit every stamp?
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:40:17 PST   Listings
Brad - Those Swiss imperfs all have silk threads running horizontally through the paper. Usually they're a greenish color, but other colors exist, and a lot of the stamps' value can depend on the color of the thread. You have to examine them up close with good lighting, and a mag to tell the color, in general.
Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:37:38 PST   Listings
Yeah, looking at the backside, although I thought on occasion I could see from the front too. Let me see if I can get a link to a specific example.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:33:50 PST   Listings
BRAD----If its the backside ,it could be the color thread thru the stamp.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:28:22 PST   Listings
The Holder they are in maybe

ROGER will surely chime in on this subject
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